Genealogy Chat

many thanks for all points and noted and taken on board. sorry I didn't expect you to check every detail at all so I do apologise for that. I will be cross checking a lot tonight I cannot thank you for all your help on this I really do appreciate it so so much x

I think you need to go carefully through all the info found for you on this thread, and check it against your tree.


You have a baptism for Margaret in Tallanstown, Louth, Ireland.
As I said on page 1, that's not correct.
The mother of that child was a Catherine, which will be where you got the name from.

You've said that Margaret was born in Preston - no, her birth cert (see page 1) and various censuses all say Manchester.

Re Susan's death in 1895 - I'm just guessing that that record is the right one - it seems very likely, but you'd need to buy a copy of the cert to be absolutely sure.

Margaret and Albert married in 1891, not 1897.


I've picked out only a few points here. I'm afraid I don't have time to check everything - that's your job!.

its Holroyd tree do you think it looks in order for that side please x

Yes, I've found your tree (there are actually several trees of that name, with various tree owners).

I mentioned some details from it on page 1.

I have a tree on ancestory do you have access to this site its called Holroyd tree x

Ellen Campbell's mother was Catherine - perhaps that's what you're thinking of?

thank you I do not have a clue why I had her mum down as Catherine

I have done some research but cannot find much on them tree on this side nicely filling up I will have tears when I print this side of hopefully in a few days then to start with other grandparent xx

Yes, that's right.

have I got this right.
Margaret jane Clarke her dad called james Clarke and mother called susan Clarke (calligan)

thank you ever so much x

All born Ireland


Susan Colligan
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Susan Colligan
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: James Colligan
Mother's name: Susan Colligan
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Hulme
Ecclesiastical parish: St Marks
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
Town: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Hulme
ED, institution, or vessel: 2ao
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 122
Piece: 2221
Folio: 984
Page Number: 40
Household Members:
Name Age
James Colligan 60
Susan Colligan 50
Maryann Colligan 19
Eliza Colligan 16
Thomas Colligan 12
William Colligan 10
Susan Colligan 4

(and some lodgers)

Susan in 1861 with her mother and siblings, including brother Richard, who is with James & Susan in 1871 (although in 1861 it says he was born in Manchester) -

Susan Calagan
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Susan Calagan
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: 1847
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Hulme
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Hulme
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 29
Piece: 2887
Folio: 65
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Dowley 60
Thomas Dowley 21
Mary A Dowley 28
John Dowley 17
Ann Dowley 5
Susan Calagan 50 - visitor - Ireland, widow
William Calagan 19 - boarder, Ireland
Susan Calagan 14 - boarder, Ireland
Richard Calagan 7 - boarder, Manchester
Bridget Quinn 30 - boarder, Ireland

James & Susan's marriage:

Marriages Mar 1867 (>99%)
CALLIGAN Susan Oldham 8d 883
Clarke James Oldham 8d 883

Yes, that's the right family -


Margaret's brother James Clarke (see 1891 census above) is lodging with her and Albert in 1901, already posted.

Birthplace given as Royton in 1901.

Susan's death ??

Deaths Jun 1895 (>99%)
Clarke Susan 43 Oldham 8d 523

A possibility for Margaret and her family ??? (Taking her YOB as on 1901 and 1911 censuses. The fact that the marriage cert says she was 21 maybe just means she was at least 21 - ie - legally able to marry without parents' approval)

Maggie Clarke
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Maggie Clarke
Gender: Female
Age: 19
Relationship: Servant
Birth Year: 1872
Birth Place: Manchest, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Ardwick
Residence Place: Manchester, Ardwick, Lancashire, England
Sub registration district: Ardwick
ED, Institution or Vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3166
Folio: 92
Household Members:
Name Age
John Howarth 73
Elizabeth Howarth 56
Sarah Ann Beldington 12
Maggie Clarke 19



Margaret Jane Clark
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Margaret Jane Clark
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Mother: Susan Clark
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Royton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 46 Water St
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Oldham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4094
Folio: 59
Page Number: 42
Household Members:
Name Age
Susan Clark 31 - married, born Ireland
Ann Clark 11 - Manchester
Margaret Jane Clark 9
Mary Ann Clark 2 Heyside, Royton


Susan Clark
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Susan Clark
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Clark
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Hulme
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Hulme
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 72
Piece: 3996
Folio: 9
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
James Clark 23 - shipper and grinder at cotton factory - born Wales
Susan Clark 22
Ann Clark 2 - Manchester
Richard Colligan 17 - brother-in-law, Ireland
Eliza Cahill 34 - visitor


James & Susan in 1891 :-


James Clarke
in the 1891 England Census
Name: James Clarke
Gender: Male
Age: 43
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1848
Spouse: Susan Clarke
Child: Mary Ann Clarke
James Clarke
Ann Dufty
Birth Place: Carnarvon, Wales
Civil Parish: Crompton
Residence Place: Crompton, Lancashire, England
Sub registration district: Crompton
ED, Institution or Vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3324
Folio: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
James Clarke 43 - general labourer, out of work
Susan Clarke 43 - card room hand (cotton), Longford, Ireland
Mary Ann Clarke 12 - Heyside
James Clarke 7 - Heyside
Ann Dufty 21 - married daughter, card room hand, Manchester
Margaret Dufty 2 - grand-daughter, Shaw


Probably the birth of that Margaret Jane:

CLARKE, MARGARET JANE mms CARREGAN
GRO Reference: 1872 M Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 203

Brother James:
CLARKE, JAMES mms CALLAGHAN
GRO Reference: 1884 J Quarter in OLDHAM Volume 08D Page 755

sister Ann:
CLARK, ANN mms CALLIGAN
GRO Reference: 1869 J Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 674

Sister Mary Ann:

CLARKE, MARY ANN mms CALLAGHAN
GRO Reference: 1877 M Quarter in OLDHAM Volume 08D Page 767

Father's occupation Carter
That's Alberts dad

Margaret dad worked in a cotton mill

Witnesses
John McCormick
Catherine lynch

Does it say what the fathers' occupations were?

And who were the witnesses, please?

albert Holroyd army records threw me because of his age I have alberts marragie certificate to Margaret jane Clarke dated 1891 and it states both were 21yrs old making it 1870 when they were both born. lived at 21 Victoria street wigan.
alberts father called joseph Holroyd and margarets dad called james clark

I am going to do a big shake up of my tree starting from john Holroyd born 1902 I am so sorry x