Genealogy Chat

Hi Dianne, you know you don't have to cut and paste anything for her, just give her this link:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1355398

and she can read the whole thing very easily for herself

(and be sure to tell her to click to move on to page 2, as that part stymies more than one poster :-) )


If you have explained to her that several complete strangers have put this time and effort into her questions, I would have thought she might have passed a note of thanks back ...

I'm sorry, I believe she is very new to her research, I have cut and pasted every reply from this board on f/b to her, I cannot do it for her and you guys are doing more than enough to help her, for which I appreciate it, even if she does not fully inderstand.
You have all done enough for her, she has to do the rest for herself, good experience for her tro find it out for herself.
Regards
Di

and I swear I'm not going to do third-person help ... has this person even known about the help being attempted here, let alone appreciated it? ... there is no reason why she could not have read what is posted here


I believe this is Martha Salmons in 1861

Name: Martha Prior
Age: 46
Estimated birth year: 1815
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Prior
Gender: Female
> Where born: Padbury, Buckinghamshire, England
> Civil Parish: Great Chart
County/Island: Kent
John Prior 57
Martha Prior 46

same place as Sally/Sarah was in 1851


here she is in 1851

Name: Martha Prcory - it's Priory
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1815
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Prcory
Gender: Female
> Where born: Buckenhamshire
> Civil Parish: Great Chart
County/Island: Kent
Name Age
John Prcory 36
Martha Prcory 36


and then full circle, Sally is Sarah Salmon living with Martha's and George's parents in Padbury in 1841

Mark Salmon 45
Elizabeth Salmon 45
Francis Salmon 20
Thomas Salmon 14
Mark Salmon 12
Catherine Salmon 9
Fanny Salmon 7
Sarah Salmon 5

(on the facing page to Martha Salmon in the Betts household posted above)



so I will stick with the theory that Sally Ann's father was a Marriot ... there were none in Padbury at the time, but there was a clan of them in Maid Moreton just the other side of Buckingham, for instance.

I think she found out that there were 2 Martha Salmons. One was the sister of George, and the other Martha Giberd who married George and became Salmons'
She seems to think that was where all the confusion started
Thanks
Dianne

interestingly though, Martha Gibberd Salmons died in Kent

Deaths Sep 1900
Salmon Martha 81 E. Ashford 2a 488

postem at freebmd says (the error is that it should say W. Ashford)

14/04/2013
District and reference are as per the GRO index entry. Error is NOT FreeBMD's.
Martha was born in Padbury, maiden name GIBBARD, wife of George SALMONS.

This is Sally in 1851 ... Sally is a nickname for Sarah, and Sally Ann married in Kent

Name: Sarah Ann Salman
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Padbury Hur, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Great Chart
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: West Ashford



my bet is that this is the Martha mother of Sally Ann in 1841 .

Name: Martha Salman
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Gender: Female
Where born: Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Padbury
Hundred: Buckingham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire

William Betts 30
Mary Betts 30
Thomas Betts 9
Ann Betts 5
Louisa Betts 3
William Betts 3 Mo
Martha Salman 25


on the facing page are an Elizabeth Salmon, 50, with several daughters and also a Rebecca Roberts, 10


https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NKB9-P5L

Name Martha Salmons
Gender Female
Christening Date 19 Jan 1816
Christening Place PADBURY,BUCKINGHAM,ENGLAND
Father's Name Mark Salmons
Mother's Name Elizabeth

same parents, son George, who matches the George who married Martha Gibberd perfectly (age in 1851 was 33)

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JS59-HXP

Name George Salmons
Gender Male
Christening Date 01 Feb 1818
Christening Place PADBURY,BUCKINGHAM,ENGLAND
Father's Name Mark Salmons
Mother's Name Elizabeth

Sylvia I don't think there is proof that

Martha Salmons mother of Sally Ann Marriot Salmons

is the same person as

Martha Gibberd who married George Salmons

?

Is it not possible that there was a Martha Salmons, perhaps a sister or cousin of George Salmons?


Dianne, does your friend have the marriage certificate

Marriages Mar 1855
DREWRY William Maidstone 2a 453
SALMONS Sally Ann Marrott Maidstone 2a 453

and does Sally Ann name her father?


this has been confusing since you initially said

'Mary Ann Marriott is the actual person being researched. A search of all on GR brings up no result, neither does anything by Rebekah. My friend is related to the Mary Ann who married someone named Salmons.'

and that seems to be rather messed up :-)


this looks like the household,in 1841 in Padbury (between two Gibberd households: William 69 and John 35)

George Salmons 23
Martha Salmons 22
Ann Salmons 3
Newman Salmons 1

No Sally

and no Sally in the 1851 household:

George Salmons 33
Martha Salmons 34
Ann Salmons 13
Newman Salmons 10
Elizabeth Salmons 7
Thomas Salmons 5
Sarah Salmons 2
Catherine Salmons 5 Mo

Thankyou very much, I have passed all the information on to Trish n New Zealand, her direct relation is Sally Ann married to William Drewry.
Wonders where the Marriot came from in the name of Sally Ann Marriot Salmons.
'Sally Ann married William Drewry - that's my lineage, he is my 3rd Great-Grandfather. I am trying to find out what Martha's name was. If she was unmarried and a Salmons. So Sally Ann is a Marriot Salmons but then another daughter is just Salmons, and another daughter just Marriot ..
Confusing?
Dianne :-D

So what is interesting to me in that long list of records that Malyon has posted, without attribution or further detail is that I spotted the following baptisms and marriages.

I've put them into year order .................

1.
England Births and Christenings

Name Sally Ann Marriot Salmons
Gender Female
Christening Date 29 Apr 1836
Christening Place PADBURY,BUCKINGHAM,ENGLAND
Mother's Name Martha Salmons


2.
England and Wales Marriage Registration Index

Name George Salmons
Event Type Marriage
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year 1837
Registration District Buckingham
County Buckinghamshire
Event Place Buckingham, Buckinghamshire, England
Volume 6
Page 565
Line Number 109

George Salmons probably married one of the following people
Name Martha Gibberd


3.
England Births and Christenings
Name Ann Salmons
Gender Female
Christening Date 22 Apr 1838
Christening Place Padbury, Buckingham, England
Father's Name George Salmons
Mother's Name Martha Salmons


If you look at the dates ...................

Sally Ann Marriot Salmons was baptised before Martha and George married, but was given his surname and Martha is shown as Martha Salmons. BUT George's name is not on the Register itself.

That indicates that George acknowledged the child as his, and there is even a hint there that Martha was known as being Martha Salmons, maybe even living with George.

It might be very interesting if you could get a look at the original Parish Register to see if the Vicar made any notes in the margin as to the parentage of Sally

George Gibberd
mentioned in the record of Martha Gibberd
Name George Gibberd
Gender Male
Wife Elizabeth
Daughter Martha Gibberd
Other information in the record of Martha Gibberd
from England Births and Christenings
Name Martha Gibberd
Gender Female
Christening Date 17 Nov 1819
Christening Place PADBURY,BUCKINGHAM,ENGLAND
Father's Name George Gibberd
Mother's Name Elizabeth

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George Gibberd
mentioned in the record of Maria Gibberd
Name George Gibberd
Gender Male
Wife Elizabeth
Daughter Maria Gibberd
Other information in the record of Maria Gibberd
from England Births and Christenings
Name Maria Gibberd
Gender Female
Christening Date 09 Apr 1812
Christening Place PADBURY,BUCKINGHAM,ENGLAND
Father's Name George Gibberd
Mother's Name Elizabeth

George Gibberd
mentioned in the record of William Gibberd
Name George Gibberd
Gender Male
Wife Elizabeth
Son William Gibberd
Other information in the record of William Gibberd
from England Births and Christenings
Name William Gibberd
Gender Male
Christening Date 22 Nov 1807
Christening Place PADBURY,BUCKINGHAM,ENGLAND
Father's Name George Gibberd
Mother's Name Elizabeth

George Gibberd
mentioned in the record of Sarah Gibberd
Name George Gibberd
Gender Male
Wife Elizabeth
Daughter Sarah Gibberd
Other information in the record of Sarah Gibberd
from England Births and Christenings
Name Sarah Gibberd
Gender Female
Christening Date 12 May 1805
Christening Place PADBURY,BUCKINGHAM,ENGLAND
Father's Name George Gibberd
Mother's Name Elizabeth

George Gibberd
mentioned in the record of Newman Gibberd
Name George Gibberd
Gender Male
Wife Elizabeth
Son Newman Gibberd
Other information in the record of Newman Gibberd
from England Births and Christenings
Name Newman Gibberd
Gender Male
Christening Date 15 Sep 1816
Christening Place PADBURY,BUCKINGHAM,ENGLAND
Father's Name George Gibberd
Mother's Name Elizabeth

George Gibberd
mentioned in the record of Edmund Gibberd
Name George Gibberd
Gender Male
Wife Elizabeth
Son Edmund Gibberd
Other information in the record of Edmund Gibberd
from England Births and Christenings
Name Edmund Gibberd
Gender Male
Christening Date 13 Jun 1813
Christening Place PADBURY,BUCKINGHAM,ENGLAND
Father's Name George Gibberd
Mother's Name Elizabeth

George Gibberd
mentioned in the record of George Gibberd and Eliz Reynolds
Name George Gibberd
Spouse's Name Eliz Reynolds
Event Date 21 May 1804
Event Place Padbury, Bickingham, England

Martha Gibberd
England Births and Christenings
Name Martha Gibberd
Gender Female
Christening Date 17 Nov 1819
Christening Place PADBURY,BUCKINGHAM,ENGLAND
Father's Name George Gibberd
Mother's Name Elizabeth

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George Salmons
England and Wales Census, 1841
Name George Salmons
Event Type Census
Event Date 1841
Event Place Padbury, Buckinghamshire, England
Residence Note Old End
Gender Male
Age 23-27
Age (Original) 23
Birth Year (Estimated) 1818-1822
Birthplace Buckinghamshire
Registration District Buckingham
Book Number 19
Parish Padbury
County Buckinghamshire
Page Number 15
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 44/10
Affiliate Record Type Household
HOUSEHOLD

ROLE

GENDER

AGE

BIRTHPLACE

George Salmons M 23-27 Buckinghamshire
Martha Salmons F 22-26 Buckinghamshire
Ann Salmons F 3 Buckinghamshire
Newman Salmons M 1 Buckinghamshire

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George W Salmon
England and Wales Census, 1891
Name George W Salmon
Event Type Census
Event Date 1891
County Kent
Parish Ashford
Ecclesiastical Parish ST MARYS ASHFORD
Registration District West Ashford
Residence Note Beaver Road
Gender Male
Age 73
Marital Status Married
Occupation Carpenters Labourer
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1818
Birthplace Buckinghamshire, England
Page Number 25
Registration Number RG12
Piece/Folio 700/ 29
HOUSEHOLD

ROLE

GENDER

AGE

BIRTHPLACE

George W Salmon Head M 73 Buckinghamshire, England
Martha Salmon Wife F 71 Buckinghamshire, England
George W Salmon Son M 32 Kent, England
Sarah C G Hughes Granddaughter F 20 Kent, England

George Salmons
England and Wales Marriage Registration Index
Name George Salmons
Event Type Marriage
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year 1837
Registration District Buckingham
County Buckinghamshire
Event Place Buckingham, Buckinghamshire, England
Volume 6
Page 565
Line Number 109

George Salmons probably married one of the following people
Name Martha Gibberd