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Thank you so much for all this info. I'll now have to get it organized and verified. I think I have tons to learn on how to use these websites.
I really appreciate everyone's efforts.

As John Toomey senior was alive in 1867, aged 36 (per the workhouse record posted by Gritty at the bottom of page 1), and Eliza is a widow in 1871, I wonder if this could be his death??

Deaths Jun 1868 (>99%)
TOOMEY John 36 Marylebone 1a 335

And brother John:

John Toomey
in the 1871 England Census

Name: John Toomey
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: N
Civil Parish: Hayes Norwood
Town: Southall
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Uxbridge
Sub-registration district: Hayes
ED, institution, or vessel: St Marylebone Workhouse Schools

Also mother Eliza:

Eliza Toomey

in the 1871 England Census

Name: Eliza Toomey
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Gender: Female
Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: Rectory
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: Rectory
ED, institution, or vessel: St Marylebone Workhouse (2)
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 164
Folio: 105
Page Number: 35

Perhaps a possibility for George's brother William in 1871:

William Toomey
in the 1871 England Census

Name: William Toomey - labourer
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Gender: Male
Where born: Not known
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: Rectory
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: Rectory
ED, institution, or vessel: St Marylebone Workhouse (3)
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 164
Folio: 115
Page Number: 15

Amelia and family, including her mother, in 1901:

Amelia Langley
in the 1901 England Census

Name: Amelia Langley
[Amelia Widen] - no, that "correction"'s wrong
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: Charles Langley
Mother: Misa Widen
Birth Place: Chelsea, London, England
Civil Parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke Chelsea
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Chelsea
Sub-registration district: Chelsea, North
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 75
Folio: 35
Page Number: 24
Household schedule number: 216
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Langley 42
Amelia Langley 40
Willis Langley 18
Albert Langley 16
Victor Langley 14
Florice Langley 12
Eavey Langley 10
Daisy Langley 7
Misa Widen - mother-in-law, age 66, widow, birthplace unknown, looks more like Mira Midson on image.


Eliza Toomey's second marriage?? (ie - Amelia/George/John/William's mother)

Marriages Dec 1875 (>99%)
MITSON James Marylebone 1a 924
Toomey Eliza Marylebone 1a 924

????
Deaths Dec 1916 (>99%)
Midson Eliza 79 Kensington 1a 131


John Toomey in 1881, with mother and stepfather:

Eliza Midson
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Eliza Midson
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: James Midson
Gender: Female
Where born: Marylebone
Civil Parish: Willesden
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: 140 Cambridge Rd
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Hendon
Sub registration district: Willesden
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1363
Folio: 156
Page Number: 92
Household Members:
Name Age
James Midson 49
Eliza Midson 49
John Toomey 14 - errand boy (Ancestry's transcription says Towney, but it's Toomey)

This is very sad. I wonder why. I'm guessing that since they had both parents, it was because they were too poor to keep the kids.

OMG, thank you so much. I never thought I would be able to find him. My Mum will be thrilled to get a bit more info on her grandfather.

A tree on ancestry (millicent1106 ) has photos of Amelia Toomey. She only has John listed as a sibling- but it is the same family.

It's so sad- the Toomey children spent a lot of time in the workhouse this is George and his siblings in 1866:

London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1659-1930

Admission Date: 30 Jun 1866
Discharge Date: 30 Jun 1866
Record Type: Admission and Discharge
Borough: Westminster
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Marylebone
Place: London, England

William Toomey 11
George Toomey 7
Amelia Toomey 5
Louisa Toomey 3

Cause of discharge- With Mother

George's brother, John, and sister Amelia in 1891

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Stanley Road, Fulham, London, England

Charles Langley Head Married Male 32 1859 Shoemaker Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Amelia Langley Wife Married Female 30 1861 - Kilburn, Middlesex, England
George Langley Son - Male 10 1881 Scholar Kilburn, Middlesex, England
William Langley Son - Male 8 1883 Scholar Kilburn, Middlesex, England
Albert Langley Son - Male 6 1885 - Fulham, Middlesex, England
Victor Langley Son - Male 4 1887 - Chelsea, Middlesex, England
Florence A Langley Daughter - Female 2 1889 - Chelsea, Middlesex, England
John Toomey Brother In Law Single Male 24 1867 Bus Conductor Marylebone, Middlesex, England

OMG, thank you so much. I never thought I would be able to find him. My Mum will be thrilled to get a bit more info on her grandfather.

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

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First name(s) Amelia
Last name Toomey
Relationship Inmate
Marital status -
Gender Female
Age 11
Birth year 1860
Occupation -
Birth town -
Birth county Middlesex
Birth county as transcribed MIDDLESEX
Birth place England
House name -
Street St Marylebone Workhouse Schools, Southall In The Parish Of Norwood, Middlesex
Parish Hayes Precinct of Norwood
Town -
City -
County Middlesex
Country England
Registration district Uxbridge
Archive reference RG10
Piece number 1311
Folio 107
Page 15
Record set 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

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First name(s) George
Last name Toomey
Relationship Inmate
Marital status -
Gender Male
Age 13
Birth year 1858
Occupation -
Birth town -
Birth county -
Birth county as transcribed NOT KNOWN
Birth place Not Known
House name -
Street St Marylebone Workhouse Schools, Southall In The Parish Of Norwood, Middlesex
Parish Hayes Precinct of Norwood
Town -
City -
County Middlesex
Country England
Registration district Uxbridge
Archive reference RG10
Piece number 1311
Folio 103
Page 8
Record set 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain

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Births Sep 1858 (>99%)
Toomey George Whitechapel 1c 348

London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1659-1930

Admission Date: 1 Jun 1867
Discharge Date: 8 Jun 1867
Record Type: Admission and Discharge
Borough: Westminster
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Marylebone
Place: London, England
Title: Workhouse and Infirmary Registers, 1866-1868

John Toomey 36
Eliza Toomey 34
William Toomey 12
George Toomey 9
Amelia Toomey 6
Louisa Toomey 3
John Toomey 1

Wow safc well spotted :-) how come I missed him in 1911? :-S :-|

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
168, Kensington Park Road, Kensington, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Nicholas Luccs Head Single Male 70 1831 Tobacco Merchant -
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Emily Toomey Servant Married Female 32 1869 General Servant (Domestic) Essex, England
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John Toomey Visitor Married Male 35 1866 Omnibus Conductor Marylebone, Middlesex, England

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2 Douglas Road Hounslow, Isleworth, Middlesex, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
George Hall Head Widower Male 52 1859 London Algate Hair Dresser
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Emily Toomey Sister In Law Married Female 42 1869 Essex Maplestead House Keeper
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Florence Toomeiy Niece - Female 9 1902 Essex Maplestead -
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Edith Toomey Niece - Female 7 1904 London Notting Hill

This might be Albert George, not that it helps much

Name: Albert George Hall
Age in 1911: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Birth Place: Bow, London, England
County/Island: Military
Country: England
Military Unit: 3rd Royal Fusiliers
Registration District Number: 641
ED, institution, or vessel: Mauritius and South Africa
Piece: 34976

There is a family rumour that George and his brother Jack were Toomy's at one time. The brother apparently was a "deserter of women" and George was supposed to have opted out of the Irish army, changed his name and came to England. But since I was told that both the boys had a surname of Hall, my thinking is that perhaps it was their father that changed his name and came from Ireland. Jack apparently had 2 children but I have not done anything on him yet at all. I suppose that should be my next step as it may give me more info on George.

Thanks again for your help.