Genealogy Chat

PM received from Anthony, have sent article, also advised getting 1851 Marriage Cert. of George Henry to get name of Father., and link to JewishGen, a useful website.

(just back from trip out, apology for late reply)

Chris :)

I read the full trial report yesterday. Didn't make pleasant reading and whether the details are true or not we will never know. Sarah Emma the daughter was the first born child of the couple.

(found a newspaper article, 1850 relating to Solomon David Tepper, aged 36 of Chesterton, Hebrew teacher, converted Polish Jew, concerning a daughter Sarah Emma aged 7, leading to him being transported for life)

Chris :)

1841
JENNINGS, John M 30 1811
JENNINGS, Ann F 26 1815 Middlesex
TEPPER, David M 26 1815 Foreign (Jeweller, as on 1841 Marriage)
Piece: 654
Book/Folio: 18/10
Page: 12
Registration District: Barnet
Civil Parish: Mims, South
Municipal Borough:
Address: New Road, Mims, South
County: Middlesex

(wondered if him above, Emma with Mother Sarah)

Chris,
Don't think this is the Emma, wife (nee Hawes) of David Solomon TEPPER. As far as I can discover there is no daughter Sarah in our Family. David Solomon and Emma's children are Joseph Eliezer Bn 1844, David Greshan (Gershon) Bn 1846 and Miriam Bn 1847. Many Thanks

Deaths Sep 1849 (>99%)
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Tepper Emma Chesterton 14 25

(Burial, St. Andrew, Chesterton, Cambridge. 1849 11 July otp 25)

(wondering if Emma, any idea what happened to her husband?, or any knowledge of a Daughter Sarah Emma)

Chris :)

Well done everyone - your dexterity with the records is impressive. It would seem we are converging to the limit of the databases? From the details two aspect have arisen that put in doubt some of the early 19th century oral history of my family.
I would be interested in any feedback & subsequent investigations to the above.

1/ Were David Solomon Tepper (my direct relative) and George Henry Tepper brothers as our family oral history suggests. That is, Isaac Tepper was DS's father but was he GH's father? I haven't seen a record of GH's fathers name?
(May be GH and Newport Pagnell Tepper's have nothing to do with my line?)

2/ You will note that my direct line relatives all have biblical first names i.e. Isaac, David Solomon, Joseph Eliezer, etc. By reference to the 1841 Parish record for JE's baptism this shows David Solomon's work was "Teacher of Hebrew". From this and the range of first names we thought we may find a Jewish background and yet there is continual evidence of the family being baptised as C of E. Any ideas how to clarify these directions?

Name: Solomon David Tepper
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 24 Oct 1841
Father's Name: Isaac Tepper
Mother's Name: Salde Tepper
Parish or Poor Law Union: South Mimms St Giles
Borough: South Mimms
Register Type: Parish Registers

.............................maybe an adult baptism prior to marriage ???

Name: Sarah Tepper
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 15 Dec 1826
Father's Name: James Isaac Tepper
Mother's Name: Sarah Tepper
Parish or Poor Law Union: Horselydown St John
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

William Henry Tepper was born in Buckinghamshire and is the son of George Tepper and Maria.

1911 census transcription details for: Victoria Road Barnstaple

Print Close
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN13325 RG78PN772 RD284 SD1 ED9 SN21
Reg. District: Barnstaple
Sub District: Barnstaple
Parish: Barnstaple
Enum. District: 9
Address: Victoria Road Barnstaple
County: Devonshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
TEPPER, William Henry Head Married M 59 1852 Solicitor's Clerk Bucks Newport Pagnell
TEPPER, Harriet Elizabeth Wife Married
28 years F 56 1855 Bucks Newport Pagnell
TEPPER, Harriet Ware Daughter Single F 27 1884 No Occupation Bucks Newport Pagnell
TEPPER, Rosa Emily Sister Single F 19 1892 No Occupation Devon Bideton


Name: William Henry Tepper
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 19 Dec 1851
Christening Place: NEWPORT PAGNELL,BUCKINGHAM,ENGLAND
Father's Name: George Henry Tepper
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P01522-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 88489

1861 census transcription details for: Quay, Bideford

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 1502
Folio: 63
Page: 4
Reg. District: Bideford
Sub District: 1 Bideford
Parish: Bideford
Enum. District: 6
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Bideford
Address: Quay, Bideford
County: Devonshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
TIPPER, George H Head Married M 49 1812 Schoolmaster
London, N K
TIPPER, Meria Wife Married F 37 1824
Newport Pagnell, Buckinghamshire
TIPPER, William H Son Unmarried M 9 1852
Newport Pagnell, Buckinghamshire
TIPPER, Louisa J Daughter Unmarried F 3 1858
Bideford, Devon
PARSONS, James Boarder Unmarried M 15 1846 Scholar
London, N K

http://www.gravestonephotos.com/public/cemetery.php?cemetery=615&limit=301

(Tepper George H and others on above, if relating)

Chris :)

so his dad looks to be an Isaac Tepper

name: David Topper
[David Tepper]
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Emma Hawes
Spouse Age: 18
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 12 Dec 1842
Parish: All Hallows Lombard Street
Borough: City of London
Father Name: Isaac Topper
Spouse Father Name: Robert Hawes
Register Type: Parish Register

The marriage cert to Emma Hawes should give his dads name

try Family Search site for parish records

Thank you Reg and Shirley for your feedback-
The Tepper family appears to have children born in Greenwich -Joseph, David and Miriam. Then later in Newport Pagnell, that is William Henry Tepper and two other children that appear to have died near birth Frederick John and Maria Louisa Tepper.
This is knowledge within the family and records and your reply show their births.
I am trying to get the earlier details.location and dates for David Solomon Tepper. (their father) and his parents. This is around 1800 to 1835 .

https://familysearch.org/search/records#count=25&query=%2Bsurname:tepper~ %2Bbatch_number:P015221

not sure where Newport Pagnell comes in



Marriages Mar 1851
Tepper George Henry Newport 6 495
Warr Maria Newport P 6 495


her family 1841
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 58; Book: 4; Civil Parish: Newport Pagnell; County: Buckinghamshire; Enumeration District: 2; Folio: 9; Page: 12; Line: 3; GSU roll: 241218.

Buy this marriage cert...........for father's name...and David's declared age

Marriages Dec 1841 (>99%)
HAWES Emma London 2 69 Scan available - click to view
TEPPER David London 2 69

Buy this marriage cert...........for father's name...........and David's declared age

Marriages Dec 1841 (>99%)
HAWES Emma London 2 69
TEPPER David London 2 69

1851 for ref


Name:Joseph Tepper

Age:6

Estimated Birth Year: 1845

Relation:Grandson

Gender:M (Male)

Where born:Greenwich, Kent, England



Civil Parish:Chipping Barnet

County/Island:Middlesex

Country England

Registration District:Barnet

Sub-registration District:South Mimms

ED, institution, or vessel:2a



Household Schedule Number:137

Piece:1701

Folio:217

Page Number:34



Name Age

Sarah Hawes 62
Joseph Tepper 6
David Tepper 4
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Name:
David Tepper

Date of Registration:Oct-Nov-Dec 1841
Registration District:City of London
Inferred County:London
Volume Number:2
Page Number: 69


Emma Hawes
David Tepper


Fathers names will be o the cert- but you'll have to send for it

Who was the mother?

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

https://familysearch.org/

Name: David Tepper
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1841
Registration District: City of London
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 2
Page Number: 69
Records on Page:
Name
Emma Hawes
David Tepper