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Just been looking at his record on Ancestry.Com. It doesn't really help except there is an annotation of what looks like CL ,Z, and the date 22-3-1919 next to it. If anyone else wants to have a look, put in a search for John B Noble, england, when you get the list up go to military and it is the 3rd one on the list identified by his no. 402409. Also says DVR, royal engineers..

Lesley

sorry, just realised this info has already been put on this thread...........

You wouldn't really expect to find him on the Forces Reunited site. If his WW1 records have survived, they will be on Ancestry. The Medal Roll (at the National Archives, not online), might give his middle name, which would help (especially if it wasn't Bernard!)

Thanks, Rose. Your right of course. But I've hit a brick wall. Even with the regimental number I still can't find him on the Forces War Records site. I'm driving myself just a little bit mad here!

Just because the medal was found in Bristol doesn't mean the recipient lived there.

Here are the most likely candidates:

Births Jun 1882 (>99%)
NOBLE John Bernard W.Bromwich 6b 789

Births Jun 1887 (>99%)
Noble John Bernard Kettering 3b 170

Births Jun 1888 (>99%)
NOBLE John Beattie Carlisle 10b 482

Births Sep 1892 (>99%)
Noble John Bernard Greenwich 1d 1019

Rose

Okay. Thanks MarieCeleste. I was about to hand the medal on in the wrong direction! You'd think the Royal British Legion would've picked up on it. Ne'er mind. Back to the drawing board.

This is the medal card for the chap that you've been tracing:

British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920
Name: John H Noble
Regiment or Corps: Royal Engineers, Royal Engineers
Regimental Number: 1912, 500227

Served in France from 30 March 1915, killed in action 10 January 1918.

Personally, I'd be contacting a newspaper local to where you found the medal and ask them to run a little feature saying you're trying to trace a descendant.

If anyone comes forward then they'd have to prove their relationship.

This medal card certainly fits with the number 905:

British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920

Name: John B Noble
Regiment or Corps: Royal Engineers (T), Royal Engineers (T)
Regimental Number: 905, 402409

He was a "dvr" - served in France from May 1915

Pretty sure this wouldn't be the chap buried in Italy.

ADDED @ 11:59
This medal card is annotated "402409 cl(z) 22-03-19"
If I've interpreted that correctly then I think it means that he was demobilised 22 March 1919 and transferred to Class Z Army Reserves. That meant he returned to civvy street but was obliged to return to service if things kicked off again.

So, the John B Noble who you have the medal for was most definitely alive in 1919 so can't be the one who's family you have researched. Sorry.

DVR I would think maybe stood for Driver?

There is a medal card on Ancestry for a J B Noble who served with the East African Forces

Valid question, Rose. My first step in this quest was to contact my regional office of the Royal British Legion. They it was that gave me John Henry Noble, as opposed to the J B Noble on the medal. They suggested that the initials H and B were often confused. Obviously I didn't take their word for it and looked further but was unable to find a J B Noble from this area.

If you know or even suspect otherwise, please let me know.

Is this even the correct man?

The details on the medal card don't match the death on the CWGC site.

Rose

Found a second page of very helpful messages. Thanks, everyone. I'm much closer to my goal. :-)

Courageous Airman (Kalgoorlie Miner (WA : 1895 - 1950)
1946

O.B.E. FOR VICTORIAN

London, Oct. 4.— The O.B.E. has been awarded to^1 Group-Captain Cecil Hyatt Noble, of Melbourne. The citation says that he was the senior British officer in a large prisoner of war camp in Batavia for the first 10 months of the period of his captivity and took a firm, stand with the Japanese authorities, upholding the welfare and interests of his subordinates, at considerable personal risk, thus averting much suffering and saving a number of lives. His attitude commanded the respect of his cap tors and ultimately bettered the conditions in the camp.

Medal card of Noble, John B. Corps: Royal Engineers Transport. Regiment No: 905. Rank: Driver.

Chris :)

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007

Name: Eugenie Louise Noble
Birth Date: 12 Jan 1906
Date of Registration: Jan 1997
Age at Death: 91
Registration District: Camden
Inferred County: London
Register Number: B45A
District and Subdistrict: 2501B
Entry number: 259

The Times - Monday, 12th September 1955

"Silver Wedding -

NOBLE:PULLEINE - On Sept 12, 1930, at the Church of the Epiphany, Port Said, Cecil Hyatt Noble to Eugenie Louise Pulleine. Present address - 3 Sandy Road, London, NW3"

London, England, Death Notices from The Times, 1982-1988

Name: Cecil Hyatt Capt OBE Noble
Age: 83
Birth Year: 1905
Death Date: 19 Aug 1988
Published Date: 22 Aug 1988
Spouse's Name: Eugenie Noble


Honolulu, Hawaii, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1900-1959

Name: Cecil Hyatt Noble
Age: 41
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1906
Port of Departure: Melbourne
Port of Arrival: Canton Island
Arrival Date: 10 Mar 1947
Ethnicity/Race/Nationality: Australian

travelling with Eugenie Louise Noble, his wife


New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957

Name: Cecil H Noble
Arrival Date: 26 Jan 1950
Birth Date: abt 1906
Age: 44
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: British (English)
Place of Origin: Britain
Port of Departure: Southampton
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Queen Mary
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How kind you all are! A million thanks.

I must to bed but to answer Janet's query, the medal says; '905 DVR J B Noble RE'
What does the' 905 DVR' refer to?

Anna & Mark were my man's parents - thanks, Janet. And my man and his wife named one of their kids Hyatt, which was spelled 'Hiatt' on some document I saw.

The medal was found on a quiet Bristol street, the kind of street only a local would walk. I'm really hopeful some living relative is somewhere near here. The Royal British Legion suggested I give the medal to the Royal Engineer's Museum. A worthy cause, I'm sure, but I don't feel it's mine to give away. I want John Henry Noble's family to make that decision.

I'm very optimistic. Thank you, all.

If the medal number is definitely as stated then these would be his parents (note Anna's maiden name) and would indicate that the family are from Bristol area

Marriages Mar 1871 (>99%)

Hiatt Anna Bristol 6a 10
Noble Mark Bristol 6a 10

Presumably Tat the medal that you have has the number you gave on the rim ?

which is how you got the details from the CWGC site ?

jan