Genealogy Chat

I have long tried to find siblings for my 2 x great grandfather Samuel Crowther. I know nothing about Batch No's but I had a look at a website and found a number of people baptised in St Peters Leeds with John as their father and all with the same batch number including my great grandfather. Does this mean they are siblings?

Thank you in advance.

Sue

I take it that you looked at FamilySearch?

The batch numbers are all to do with knowing the relevant films the originals are copied to.

It sounds as though you are right but I'll take a look and see for you.

Back in a bit.

Sue, I think the batch number refers to compilation of the records - see:

https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/IGI_Batch_Number_Descriptions

If you click on it (I assume you are accessing the Familysearch site) you will see thousands of records have the same number.

Jan

Sue, I think what you are looking at is the name entries on the 1881 census with the father's name of John Crowther.

Was your Samuel born c1859? in Leeds? If he was, we can find him on the census' for you and see what siblings are named.

Oh....well that's blown that out of the water :-(

Thanks Jan. I'd rather know that than blindly go forward thinking that the people I found are my ancestors.

Back to the drawing board :-(

Jill - my Samuel Crowther was born in 1805 in Leeds. By the time of the 1841 census he is married with 3 children including my great grandfather. That's why I have no idea who is siblings were. Trouble is - in Leeds there were soooo many John Crowthers.

Err. No sad faces Sue Maid. :-D

Can't you post some details to see if we can help?

Ah. We posted at the same time. Sad face allowed :-(

Sorry couldn't help.

Thank you Jill - I appreciate your comments. It has been an ongoing puzzle for me for a long time. I've been able to break down many brick walls but this one is still standing strong.

Sue if for eg I look for mary Ann Fishlock I get

Name: Mary Ann Fishlock
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 07 Jul 1839
Baptism/Christening Place: ISLEWORTH,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 18 Jun 1839
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Fishlock
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04226-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 585452, 597917

If I then click on the batch number and put in 'last name' Fishlock...I get the children born to the parents with those first names... harriet , William and Thomas...from that parish...

but I suppose if there was another couple with the same forenames and surname, in the same parish it would be difficult to know if they were the right ones.

Rose, I tried that for Sue's info but there are a lot of results! Problem is, Samuel's mother's name is missing. If only his father had a different name!
Jan

Thank you for that Rose.

I wish that Samuel's father had another name other than John Crowther but there it is.

lol Jan I keep saying that myself , 'if only his father had a different name" with a run of Williams 4 generations, and all marrying either a Mary or an Ann ;-)

West Yorkshire, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1512-1812
about Samuel Crowther
Birth Date: 27 Nov
Baptism Date: 19 Jan 1806
Parish: Leeds, St Peter (Leeds Parish Church)
Father's Name: John Crowther

(the above Index on Ancestry, not sure if the child should be John and Samuel the Father, if someone can take a look, bit hard on the eyeballs this time of night for me!, but thought I'd add in case)

Chris :)

West Yorkshire, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1985
West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910 (Leeds St .Peter on)
West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935

That's the info I have Chris. My cousin knew Samuel's birth a number of years ago so when the info came on Ancestry it was easy to find Samuel's baptism. Also I have Samuel's certificate from his second marriage. You can imagine how I felt when I saw his father's name was John. Why couldn't it be Ephraim or Shadrach :-S

Wonder if it would be worth you viewing those baptism records. I couldn't find them because I didn't go back far enough in my date input.

Now I'm looking at the entries. I think there may be two families here because Samuel and Abraham have dob (assuming accurate) that means they can't be siblings.

Wonder if you've noticed the middle name of Thomas christened 22.8.1802. On FamilySearch there are Furnish Firnish surnames for St Peter's.

I can only think that if you try to come forward with all the possible siblings, you might get lucky and spot something in their future info which helps out a bit.

Only this evening I established the relationship between the head of household in 1881 where someone of the same surname was a lodger. The penny dropped on some info I'd found which allowed me to find the head of household as a baby in 1841. Turns out forty years later his lodger was his older brother - well in as much as proof is proof without meeting the people and confirming it. But the first name of the lodger was so unusual - ' Neighbour'.

Don't give up.xJ

Jill - I have seen Thomas Firnish Crowther. I have often wondered if he is a sibling as there is a John Crowther marrying a Martha Furnish in Leeds. I can't actually view the parish records in the Leeds library although I have done. I'm in Australia so most of my research is over the internet. My cousin did extensive research in the library but sadly he passed away last year.

The people who I thought MAY be siblings are James Frederick b. 20.8.1806, Godfrey b. 27.7.1807 and Jeremiah b. 1/4/1808. All with John as father and the same batch number. They could be but equally they could be totally unrelated :-(

And would you believe it. I've just found a second person, only a few years difference in age in the same county. Bother. I don't think it changes anything but two men with the name Neighbour!! Wonder where that one came from.

Sue, I'd have a go at bringing those names forward. Maybe one of them will have included Furnish in the children's names.

Have you contacted any societies in Leeds? I Googled 'Leeds Family History' and a few possibilities popped up including the Cleveland Family History Society which might prove useful.

Jill - thanks for the suggestions. I've had some dealings with Leeds Family History and they are quite helpful. I think I'll go back to them and see if anyone can help.

Two men with the name Neighbour :-0 Who would've thought it. I have an ancestor called 'Friend' and apparently that's not such an uncommon name.