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So, the obitauary for Garrison T Beneway in 1933 gives his wife as Maud and Mary V Beneways obituary in 1957 gives her as the widow of Garrison T Beneway. It looks as if Maud and Mary could be the same person.

The certs for the two births that I have posted above, would give William and Mary Ann's mothers name, which hopefully will agree with that on the marriage.

Hi Potty,

If you go to www.fultonhistory.com and do an exact search on Garrison T Beneway, you see the obituary from 1957 for Mrs Mary V Beneway ( 1 column about 1/3 down the page). This is where I got my original info from and why I was trying to find William H Veysey as he married my grand aunt Charlotte Smith)

See my tree on ancestry - Bumpsteed / Marsh / Poole

Regards
Mark

Mark says that Mary Anne married Garrison Beneway but the marriage is to Theodore - could be Garrison Theodore but then who is the Garrison married to Maud. Mary Anne appears to have died 1957 - assuming that is the obituary Mark mentions in his opening post. Very confused!

Some of the US censuses say that Garrison Beneway's wife is named Maud. She's born England 1861 and emigrated 1881. They're living with William & Charlotte Veysey in 1930 in Gloversville. William emigrated 1923 and Charlotte 1925.

Possible birth for William:

Births Dec 1868 (>99%)
VEYSEY William Henry Newton A. 5b 147

This may explain why we can't find Mary Ann with her parents. As she married in America in 1883, she is probably not still in England for the 1881 census. Although Mary and Sophie are transcribed as living with the Hughes, they are actually a separate household. The birth cert would confirm Mary Ann's parents:

1871 England Census
about Mary A Veysey
Name: Mary A Veysey
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Kingskerwell, Devon, England
Civil parish: St Marys Church
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Church
Town: St Marys Church
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Registration district: Newton Abbot
Sub-registration district: Torquay
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Household schedule number: 5
Piece: 2089
Folio: 70
Page Number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
Robert A Hughes 81
Lybella Hughes 65
Ann B Steward 41
Mary A Lark 31

Sophia Veysey 16 - see 1861 below
Mary A Veysey 9


1861 England Census
about Sophia Veysey
Name: Sophia Veysey
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Veysey
Mother's Name: Ann Veysey
Gender: Female
Where born: East Anstey, Devon, England

Civil parish: Kingskerswell
Town: Kingskerswell
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 137
Piece: 1410
Folio: 50
Page Number: 24
Household Members: Name Age
William Veysey 32
Ann Veysey 30
Emma Veysey 9
Sophia Veysey 5
Eliza Veysey


Name: Mary Ann Veysey
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1861
Registration district: Newton Abbot
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 162

Possible death for "Minnie":

Name: Alice A Jessop
Birth Date: abt 1879
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1963
Age at Death: 84
Registration district: Worthing
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 5h
Page: 1203

Bertrand and Alice in 1911:

1911 England Census
about Alice Amelia Jessop
Name: Alice Amelia Jessop
Age in 1911: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Edginswell, Devonshire
Civil parish: Tormoham
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address: 48 Woodville Rd, Torquay
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 6
Estimated Marriage Year: 1905
Registration district: Newton Abbot
Registration District Number: 272
Sub-registration district: Torquay
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Household schedule number: 98
Piece: 12777
Household Members: Name Age
Bertrand Jessop 28
Alice Amelia Jessop 34
Gwenneth Ann Lays Jessop 4
John Leslie Jessop 1
Fred Britland 20

Think I have found Minnie! William and Ann had a daughter Alice Amelia in 1872:

1891 England Census
about Alice Amelia Veysey
Name: Alice Amelia Veysey
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Veysey
Mother's Name: Ann Veysey
Gender: Female
Where born: Kingskerswell, Devon, England

Civil parish: Kingskerswell
Ecclesiastical parish: Kingskerswell
Town: Kingskerswell
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

William Veysey 55
Ann Veysey 54
William Veysey 22
Alice Amelia Veysey 19

Alice Amelia marriage to Jessop:

Marriages Dec 1904 (>99%)

Bowden Emily Newton A. 5b 313
JESSOP Bertrand Newton A. 5b 313
Setter William Newton A. 5b 313
Vesey Alice Amelia Newton A. 5b 313

Name: Rosetta Beneway
Event: Census
Event Date: 1850
Event Place: Fishkill, Dutchess, New York, United States
Gender: Female
Age: 36
Marital Status:
Race (Original):
Race (Standardized):
Birthplace: New York
Estimated Birth Year: 1814
Dwelling House Number: 1209
Family Number: 1617
Line Number: 8
NARA Publication Number: M432
NARA Roll Number: 496
Film Number: 17072
Digital Folder Number: 004196820
Image Number: 00224
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Isaac Beneway M 38 New York
Rosetta Beneway F 36 New York
Chas W Beneway M 8 New York
Garret P Beneway M 7 New York
Sarah M Beneway F 3 New York
Sarry Beneway F 60 New York

Another obit for Mrs. Jane Smith Maidment, 1917.
Brothers William Smith, Yeovil, England, Robert and David Nathaniel, Gloversville.
Sisters Mrs. Richard Pool, Nottingham, England, Mrs. William Dare and Mrs. William Veysey, Gloversville.

Same site has an obit for Mrs. Maria Dare born Yeovil, England 1865.
Brothers Nathaniel Smith, Gloversville, William Smith, England.
Sisters Mrs.William Veysey, Gloversville, Mrs. E.A. Poole, Nottingham, England.

Daughter Winnifred's marriage is here:

http://www.fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html

She married John Frinks in 1930.

Possible in 1871 - but no Mary Ann:

1871 England Census
about William Veysey
Name: William Veysey
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Veysey
Gender: Male
Where born: Knowstone, Devon, England
Civil parish: St Marys Church
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Registration district: Newton Abbot
Sub-registration district: Torquay
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Household schedule number: 218
Piece: 2089
Folio: 30
Page Number: 36
Household Members: Name Age
William Veysey 41
Ann Veysey 40
Emma Veysey 19
Eliza Veysey 12
John Veysey 8
Eva A Veysey 6
William H Veysey 3

Marriages Dec 1850 (>99%)
Lavercombe Ann Barnstaple 10 41 Scan available - click to view
Veysey William Barnstaple 10 41

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Groom's Name: Theodore Beneway
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Mary Anne Veysey
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 08 Jun 1883
Marriage Place: Manhattan, New York, New York
Groom's Father's Name: Isaac Beneway
Groom's Mother's Name: Rosetta Lovies
Bride's Father's Name: Wm. Veysey
Bride's Mother's Name: Ann Lavercombe
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00126-4
System Origin: New_York-ODM
Source Film Number: 1570109
Reference Number:

Mark, I cannot find anything for them - no births, no census results.

Do you have any marriage certs with a father's name?

Hi MarieCeleste,

Sorry, I wasn't clear but I did say that I have them in America, it's the English Census that I am looking

Regards
Mark

Yes, that looks right Potty.

Mark - you're welcome re: the pointers but we could try to help further if you answer what's been asked, i.e. "you haven't said which census you want to find them in - England or US? Which years?"

:-)

I am not sure if the death Marie Celeste found is right .As this looks like the Albert Walter in the Probate - Jessie's son:

Births Mar 1903 (>99%)
Jessop Albert Walter Camberwell 1d 941

1911 England Census
about Minnie Jessop
Name: Minnie Jessop
Age in 1911: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: England
Civil parish: Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 45 Harders Road, Peckham S E
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 9
Estimated Marriage Year: 1902
Occupation: LAUNDRY MANAGERESS
Registration district: Camberwell
Registration District Number: 27
Sub-registration district: Peckham South
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Piece: 2576
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Jessop 36
Minnie Jessop 32
Walter A Jessop 8
Lawrence Jessop 4

Looks as if Minnie married as Potter:

Marriages Sep 1901 (>99%)
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JACKMAN Helen Blanche L M Camberwell 1d 1456
Jessop Henry Albert Camberwell 1d 1456
LACEY Thomas James Camberwell 1d 1456
Potter Minnie Annie Camberwell 1d 1456

And she is on all censuses as Potter with no William or Mary in the family.