Genealogy Chat

Hi she answered with "a lot of replies for you jean hope you find something interesting" basically . She has trouble with her computer. Jean

Was it Lombroso who said all criminals can be identified by the shape and size of their head. One way of cutting the massive police budget :-D Just measue everyone's head. Don't fancy the chances of any dolichocephalic people keeping their freedom. Bruce Forsyth, Princess Ann....

This is such an interesting thread - well done guys for finding the sailor! As John said, the team work on here can be very impressive.

Patchem - that article you found was really interesting even though I had to google some of the words lol!

Anyway, word of the day is

dolichocephalic

which means where the head is longer than would be expected relative to the width.

That item about Setta Kru ands the proud Kru people who lived in Sinoe State of Liberia is fascinating, Patchem. Presumably Jean will be booking in today for a tattoo.

People tell us we should spend less time with the dead and more time with the living. Probably right. But this sort of relative in a family (who no doubt has been swept under the carpet a bit) is absolutely fascinating. And these Liberian sailors lodging in Liverpool in 1911, and possibly lodging in London docks in 1906, remind us of a new and vibrant country in those days (Liberia) that had brought a lot of slaves out of North America and given them a life of freedom and a purpose near to their roots in Africa.

A sailor has a girl in every port - so rellies may surface in Liverpool, Bristol, New York.....

And we knew nothing about Tomas WILLIAMS till Jean wrote last night. It would be interesting to see what that lady found out who asked Jean to write to her privately. It would be nice if she could share her findings with us. :-)

Found Settakurs/o - Settra Kru

http://www.libraryindex.com/encyclopedia/pages/cpxlb5bk7a/krumen-croomen-krus-people.html

thanks guys I figured williams is a slave name because there is al ot of welsh and black williams although my mother in law who was welsh did not take kindly to me saying it. any more info feel free thanks . jean

Lavender. When we hunt as a pack we are very feared :-D Not sure if Jean has got her answer yet, but when Patchem found him in C1911 I thought Eureka!! And don't often get excited these days - unless Wales wins the Grand Slam and the Cardiff Redbirds win soccer's Championship this season under Sir Mal Kee. ;-)

Isn't it amazing that it is possible to trace somebody from a name, an occupation and where somebody was on a particular day. Aren't GR members incredible !!! :-D

Reckon all those men lodging in Liverpool were from Liberia (was that the country where they resettled American slaves as free men?). Sinoe is also called Greenville (and is 3rd largest port in Liberia).

Greenville or Sinoe (pop 14,000 today) is capital of Sinoe County, which is 150m s-e of Monrovia (capital).

One of other lodgers seems to come from Monrovia, which would have been biggest port. And perhaps Settakuro may have been second port?

Don't think your Welshness would have come from Liberia, Jean. But might an ancestor have been a mulatto in West Indies. Mother black and father a slave owner from Wales called WILLIAMS. WILLIAMS is definitely a slave name, and all the other men in that Liverpool lodging house seem to have slave names.

I will try to trace the parewnts of thomas living in canning town and see if I can find a living relative and will have to ask the dreaded question are your family mixed race I hate having to ask but that is the only way I can eliminate families from my search.

john also my name is very welsh really so maybe something there.

This then becomes highly speculative, and there will be many other deaths, but just for info:
Thomas Williams
Birth Date: abt 1883
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1922
Age at Death: 39
Registration district: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 322

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I do not think that geography was their strong point.

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Hi Patchem could it be samoa? do you know the transcribers (I am one of them) sometimes get things so wrong. they have my birth records as George and I have had to prove I am Gladys to the gro before they would make a note of it.. Jean

Hi thanks for all that I dont know how to get notified that you all messaged me if anyone knows that please let me know. as for the welsh connection my dad did make regular visits to wales before I was born strange that!. I do know that he never raised my dad my fathers grandads brother did that in essex fair play to him of course maybe because he was at sea perhaps so I cant judge him just yet. jean

Could you work out what Sinoe actually was, or Settakurs/o?

We all saw that one, Patchem.

Only joking ;-) How brilliant a spot was that :-D

I rely on my neighbour's cat for weather forecasting. When she makes a dash for my greenhouse, I know that rain isn't far away.........

1911
WILLIAMS, Tomas Boarder Single M 28 1883 Fireman Ship Sinoe(??) Africa

RG number: RG14 Piece: 22200 Reference: RG 4PN22200 RG78PN1313 RD453 SD3 ED26 SN153
Registration District: Liverpool Sub District: Abercromby Enumeration District: 26
Parish: Liverpool Address: 26 Duncan St L'pool County: Lancashire

He is in a boarding house with other sailors, several of whom are trimmers.

Jean. Found one possibility. Thomas WILLIAMS. In C1901, was living with parents Samuel and Elizabeth in Canning Town. Thomas was 21, driller & ship worker, born West Ham. Parents were both Welsh, from South Wales coal mining area and cannot see any sign of black or mixed race there. In C1911, still single, still living with parents and still working on ships.

Will keep looking for you. Glad you like Russell. I am proposing him for chief weather forecaster here in Wales, because he lives in Wales, has a fun personality and has much more chance of getting it right than current incumbents :-D

One can search FMP 1911 census by occupation, but he may describe himself differently in 1911.