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And david's wife Catherine as a little girl:

1881

Name: Catherine Hughes
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Hughes
Mother's name: Jane Hughes
Gender: Female
Where born: Chester, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Wrexham Regis
County/Island: Denbighshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: 29 Chester Street
Registration district: Wrexham
Sub-registration district: Ruabon

Thomas Hughes 38
Jane Hughes 37
Mary H. Hughes 17
Thomas Hughes 14
George Hughes 7
Catherine Hughes 5
Mary Williams 16

Think this is the wayward catherine(1903)

PARRY Catherine E PARRY Robert
Holywell, Civil Marriage Flintshire (Mold) HOL/27/E188

Marriages Mar 1903
Parry Catherine Elizabeth Holywell 11b 330
Parry Robert Holywell 11b 330

and in 1911:

1911 Wales Census about Catherine Elizth Parry
Name: Catherine Elizth Parry
Age in 1911: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation to Head: Wife
Birth Place: Nerquis, Flint, Wales
Civil parish: Northop
County/Island: Flintshire
Street Address: Chapel Row Soughton Northop
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 8
Estimated Marriage Year: 1903
Registration district: Holywell
Registration District Number: 619

Robert Parry 44 head
Catherine Elizth Parry 42 wife
Thomas Parry 80 father
Eleanor Parry 45 sister

Your thoughts on James and Catherine E reminded me of something I saw yesterday which didn't make sense but now does. In 1891, Catherine from Nerquis is working as a servant in London.

1891

Name: Catherine Parry
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Nerquis, Flintshire, Wales
Civil parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Brompton

Arthur T Roberts 75
Grace R Roberts 62
Phyllis E Roberts 19
Catherine Parry 22
Emily Shufford 42
Annie Howard 33
Sarah Makings 38
Emily Harris 24

Arthur Roberts was born in Mold so it's possible Catherine may have known the family - or of them. Wonder if she got pregnant in London and was sent back home by the Roberts.

Another question.

Do you know where David and catherine married? The only one I can find is in Liverpool in 1894. Date is right but not happy with place.

Of course! That makes perfect sense - and explains why I was getting confused with all the Catherines. Will try to check that out further. The significance of the E now makes more sense and the issue of the flexible age.

Catherine E was born in Nerquis though. It was David and wife Catherine (no E) who moved to Chester. In the census with Catherine's mum, Jane, on it, it says she was born in Huntington which is in the Chester suburbs. I guess this is probably where wife catherine grew up although she's proving hard to track!

Da iawn!

Janice

Just a thought. Assuming Catherine E. was David E.'s sister could James have been her son who had left Chester for Nercwys to avoid shame?

This looks like Margaret in 1841, parents Edward and Catherine. Catherine we know is correct, and Edward seems to be a name running throughthis family big-time! The address is Pentre fach, Nerquis.

Name: Margaret Griffiths
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Gender: Female
Where born: Flintshire, Wales

Civil parish: Mold
Hundred: Mold
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Holywell
Sub-registration district: Mold

Edward Griffiths 45
Cathrine Griffiths 47
Daniel Griffiths 19
Jane Griffiths 12
Hannah Griffiths 10
Edward Griffiths 8
Margaret Griffiths 5
Shem Griffiths 3

Some great old pics here

http://www.oldukphotos.com/flintshirenerquis.htm

This is probably Dorothy's first husband in 1911

Name: William Owen Roberts
Age in 1911: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Nerquis, Flintshire, Wales
Civil parish: Nerquis
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: Old School House Nerquis Mold
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Coal Mine Labourer Under Ground
Registration district: Holywell
Registration District Number: 619
Sub-registration district: Mold

Elizebeth Roberts 63
Walter George Roberts 23
William Owen Roberts 16

Looks like Edward Griffith Humphreys was running the Sun Inn pub in Eryrys with his wife Hannah when he died in 1934.

Probate says his effects were £373-3s.

Found 2 marriages for Dorothy:
1st was in 1920 to William Owen Roberts at Nercwys church.

When William died in 1927 they were running The Stores in Nercwys. His effects were worth £473 - 7d

2nd marriage was in 1940 at Nercwys again to Thomas Roberts.

Too difficult to work out if they had children as those names are in abundance!

She now has a great uncle James too!

And half great aunt and uncles - John, Ann, and Edward Griffith.

Janice
This is amazing. Our friend is on holiday with us so we will sit down and digest tonight. Rare sun is too tempting at moment! She is Ros Parry from Hope, same place as Edward. She remembers the smallholding in Nercwys where her grandad lived when he was orphaned. We also found a grand aunt, Dorothy, who nobody had told her about.

Many thanhs so far.

Paul

Looks like Edward had been married before too:

1861

Name: Edward Humphreys
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Humphreys
Gender: Male
Where born: Hope, Flintshire, Wales

Civil Parish or Township: Tryddyn
Ecclesiastical parish: Treuddyn
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Wrexham
Sub-registration district: Hope

Edward Humphreys 31
Elizabeth Humphreys 32

Here's an 1851 that works given that Nercwys is very close to Mold:

Name: Catherine Griffiths
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Mold, Denbighshire, Wales (given for all 3)
Civil Parish or Township: Bersham
County/Island: Denbighshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Wrexham

Catherine Griffiths 55 widow
Thomas Griffiths 21
Margret Griffiths 18

Can't find Margaret Griffith's marriage to Mr Parry however so you'll need to buy a birth certificate to confirm who David's parents are. Edward was his step father (although could be his father's name as well). Given that David was so very little when his father died, Edward would be the only dad he would have really known.

Births Dec 1867
Parry David Edward Holywell 11b 268
(Do you have this cert? Is that how you know Edward ran a canal boat?)

EDIT: just realised I'm making an assumption here. Margaret's mother may have married twice too, so Margaret's maiden name might not be Griffiths!

Margaret is working as a servant at Llanferres rectory in 1861

Name: Margaret Griffiths
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Nerquis, Flintshire, Wales

Civil Parish or Township: Llanferres
County/Island: Denbighshire
Country: Wales

James Richard Owen 49
Mary Owen 44
Alice Mary Owen 17
Jane Campbell Holmes 49
James Connel 57
Sarah Williams 48
Margaret Griffiths 25
Mary Williams 14

1881

Name: David Edward Parry
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Gender: Male
Where born: Nerquis, Flintshire, Wales

Civil parish: Mold - Nerquis
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: Evel Isa
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Son In Law ***** should be stepson

Edward Humphey 50
Margret Humphey 47
David Edward Parry 13
Cathn. E. Parry 11
John Humpheys 3
Ann Humpheys
Hugh Seddon 62

1871

Name: Margaret Parry
[nee Margaret Griffiths]
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Head
Mother's name: Catherine Griffiths
Gender: Female
Where born: Nerquis, Flintshire, Wales
Civil parish: Nercwys
Ecclesiastical parish: Nercwys
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Holywell
Sub-registration district: Mold


Margaret Parry 35 widow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>David E Parry 3
Catherine E Parry 1
Catherine Griffiths 79 mother
Margaret Davies 13


Margaret is David's mother and therefore Reginald's grandmother :-D

From the age of those children it looks like a very late or a second marriage.

BINGO!

Marriages Dec 1876
Humphreys Edward Holywell 11b 429
PARRY Margaret Holywell 11b 429

1891 Humphreys:

Name: Edward Humphreys
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edward Humphreys
Mother's name: Margrete Humphreys
Gender: Male
Where born: Nerquis, Flintshire, Wales

Civil parish: Nerquis
Ecclesiastical parish: Nerquis
Town: Nerquis
County/Island: Flintshire
Registration district: Holywell
Sub-registration district: Mold

Edward Humphreys 62
Margrete Humphreys 50
Anne Humphreys 10
Edward Humphreys 8