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Hi all

Can anyone help me. Does the name Paynting mean anything to anybody. I think the family moved out to Australia at some time, there is a connection with the family Cleave. If this rings any bells would love to hear.

Thanks
Regards
Denise
:-)

Thank you for your responses to my query. My interest is two distant Aunts that I have one called Emily Jane Cleave and one called Fanny Cleave. When looking into them I came across the name Paynting who had these two names in their family trees. I can trace the Cleaves back before 1888 but I cannot trace them after that . I am interested in finding their descendants.

Thanks for your help.

:-)

Where were they from and when? We need dates, first names and locations.

Rose

Too vague, Denise, for anyone to be able to help. Please post some facts on which research can be based

Have you used GR's 'search trees' facility?

I have sent Passenger List by pm and requested more information be put on the thread.

No Emily Jane Cleave on passenger list. Three entries for EJ Cleave going to Nigeria 1901 - 1903

You still haven't given a location but there is this marriage in 1888:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1888 (>99%)
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Cleave Emily Jane Shoreditch 1c 172
Foulkes Charles Shoreditch 1c 172
SIMS George William F Shoreditch 1c 172
WISEMAN Sarah Jane Shoreditch 1c 172

Try using freebmd - excellent site

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

And - if you wish people to help you - please give birth years and birthplaces.

Don't amend your post again - use the box entitled 'Add your reply'

Where did you come across the 'tree' to which you refer?

Were Emily and Fanny sisters?

Name: Emily Jane Cleave
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Spouse Name: George William Flowerday Lims
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 31 Mar 1888
Parish: Hoxton Square St Peter
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Alfred Alexander Cleave
Spouse Father Name: George Lims
Register Type: Parish Register

1911 census

Person: SIMS, George William Huvesden Address: 9 Abbotsford Avenue South Tottenham N
Cost


SIMS, George William Huvesden Head Married M 47 1864 Secretary Of Friendly Societies Acts Hostin London VIEW
SIMS, Emily Jane Wife Married22 years F 43 1868 Hoxton London VIEW
SIMS, Leslie Stanley George Son Single M 17 1894 Engineering Student Tottenham Middlesex VIEW

Deaths Jun 1926 (>99%)
Sims George W F 62 Hampstead 1a 663

Name: Leslie Stanley G Sims
Birth Date: 12 Mar 1894
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1977
Age at Death: 83
Registration district: Sunderland
Inferred County: Tyne and Wear
Volume: 2
Page: 1789

1901


Name: Leslie S G Sims
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George W F Sims
Mother's name: Emily J Sims
Gender: Male
Where born: St Anns South Tottenham, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Tottenham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England


Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Tottenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 47
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 196
Piece: 1253
Folio: 63
Page Number: 31
Household Members:
Name Age
George W F Sims 36
Emily J Sims 33
Leslie S G Sims 7

The son appears to be on several Passenger and Crew lists in the USA - I don't have access.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915


Name: George William Flowerday Sims
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1864
Registration district: Shoreditch
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 160

I hope I've been using my time on the right person - there is another birth for the name - in 1902 in Cornwall

1881 - which gives you a lot of names to research on freebmd


Name: Emily J. Cleave
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Alf. Alex. Cleave
Mother's name: Eliza Cleave
Gender: Female
Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Shoreditch
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 54 Hoxton Sq

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Hoxton Old Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 394
Folio: 7
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Alf. Alex. Cleave 38
Eliza Cleave 40
Eliza M. Cleave 16
Emily J. Cleave 13
Alfred Cleave 11
Wm. B. Cleave 9
Fanny Cleave 7
Charles Cleave 3
Frank Cleave

Name: Fanny Isabella Cleave
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Spouse Name: Alfred Akerman
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 22 Aug 1896
Parish: Hackney St Peter
Borough: Hackney
Spouse Father Name: John Akerman
Register Type: Parish Register


Name: Fanny I Akerman
Birth Date: abt 1874
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1937
Age at Death: 63
Registration district: Edmonton
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 825

1901


Name: Fanny Ackerman
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Alfred Ackerman
Gender: Female
Where born: Halton, London, England
Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark Dalston
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South-West Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 118
Piece: 222
Folio: 34
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Ackerman 28
Fanny Ackerman 27
Albert Ackerman 3
Horace Ackerman 1
William Linhofe 25

1891

Name: Fanny Cleave
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Alfred Cleave
Mother's name: Elizabeth Cleave
Gender: Female
Where born: Hoxton, London, England
Civil parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Hoxton Old Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 248
Folio: 5
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Cleave 48
Elizabeth Cleave 50
Alfred Cleave 21
William Cleave 19
Fanny Cleave 17
Charles Cleave 13
Frank Cleave 10
Alfred Ackerman 18

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Dec 1867 (>99%)
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Cleave Emily Jane Shoreditch 1c 150

1911

1911 census

Person: AKERMAN, Fanny Address: 38 Benthall Road Stoke Newington
Cost


AKERMAN, Alfred Head Married14 years M 38 1873 Warehouseman Printers London Hoxton VIEW
AKERMAN, Fanny Wife Married F 36 1875 London Hoxton VIEW
AKERMAN, Albert Son M 13 1898 London Hackney VIEW
AKERMAN, Horace Son M 11 1900 London Hackney VIEW
AKERMAN, William Son M 2 1909 London Hackney