Genealogy Chat

hello
my grandma was born in 1911 and was adopted shortly after
all i have is the place where she was born -which was a nursing home for unmarried mothers and her birth certificate
was just wondering if there was anyway i could get hold of her adoption certificate
am really stuck with this one
please help
thank you
julie

There were no formal adoptions until about 1929 so I doubt whether you will find anything. It is only the adopted child that could access their file anyway

What are you looking for? have you found her mother on the 1911 census?

yes i know her mums name
it was on the birth certificate and i am really sorry she was born in 1914 not 1911
i am trying to link her up to a family beyond that
julie

well you must know her adopted name as she would have married in that name and the cert would show her (adopted)fathers name

Are you trying to trace her BIRTH family?

What was her mother's name?

Did she have an occupation?

hi yes i am trying to trace her birth family
i have her mothers name-it is emma ives
she was unmarried -there was no fathers name on it
julie

Why would you need an adoption certficate, if such a thing existed - which it wont.

What name did your grandma go through life with?

margaret clay was her adoptive name
margaret ives was her birth name
i want to know who her birth mother was

wont the adoption records have more details on about her birth mother

Julie as Penny has said before there will be no official adoption certificate as these were not formalised until 1929 and even if there was only the adopted person would have access to the record.

Does the Nursing Home still exist? Many of these home were run by Church Organisations and would have placed the babies privately.

Was the mother recorded as having an occupation?

As you have been told, there will be NO adoption records - and even if there were, you couldn't see them

fact

Births Dec 1914 (>99%)
Ives Margaret Ives Bradford 9b 219

Very close to Bradford

1911 census

Person: IVES, Emma Address: 10 Moor View Avenue Shipley
Cost


IVES, Thomas H Head Single M 31 1880 Clerk Building Trade Shipley Yorks VIEW
IVES, Florence Sister Single F 27 1884 Household Duties Shipley Yorks VIEW
IVES, Emma Sister Single F 24 1887 Tea Dealer Shipley Yorks VIEW
IVES, Mabel Sister F 12 1899 School Shipley Yorks VIEW
ROBINSON, Clara Cousin Single F 31 1880 Sick Nurse Thornton Yorks VIEW
IVES, Sarah Sister Single F 22 1889 Invalid Shipley Yorks VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 26638 Reference: RG14PN26638 RG78PN1535 RD497 SD6 ED15 SN66 Registration District: North Bierley Sub District: Shipley Enumeration District: 15 Parish: Shipley Address: 10 Moor View Avenue Shipley County: Yorkshire (West riding) r

just out of interest I had a look at the 1911 census and there is only 1 Emma Ives in Yorkshire who is single and of child bearing age. Living in Shipley which is not to far away from Bradford


Name: Emma Ives
Age in 1911: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation to Head: Sister
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Shipley, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Shipley
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street Address: 10 Moor View Avenue Shipley
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Tea Dealer
Registration district: North Bierley
Registration District Number: 497
Sub-registration district: Shipley
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Piece: 26638
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas H Ives 31
Florence Ives 27
Emma Ives 24
Babel Ives 12
Clara Robenson 31
Sarah Ives 22

Snap Reggie, great minds think alike, though doubt you could ever prove she was the right person unless nursing home records still exist

Snap - indeed!

Still waiting to hear if the mother had an occupation............


What were the forenames of her adoptive parents?

Thanks Joan./ Amokavid. sorry for delay in replying we have been out to lunch and only just got back in.

Doesn't surprise me at all looking up records especially when a child isn't brought up within the same family. I too have had puzzles that the answer was there I just didn't know it for a time.

Anything goes ,sometimes its takes some outside the box thinking to get there.

I have one 2nd cousin who listed her grandfather as her dad on her marriage cert because she didnt want to admit her mum wasnt married when she was born. Took some explaining to one of her descendants was just starting out looking at the famliy history and accepted everything on the records as the truth.

thanks for all your help
and no she didnt have an occupation
i did have an inkling myself that this might be the right family but obviously cant prove or disprove
the extended family of this family was quite well known in our parts -they were the builders for titus salt
it was a large family business-quite well off -so maye that was a reason to give the baby up- plus shed no mother or father around
once again thank you
julie

sorry the names of her adoptive parents were john william clay was known as william and her mother was annie clay
the nursing home does not exist anymore

I am not quite sure how anyone can add to what is already posted.

Presumably you know about the family that raised her
There is nothing that will define Emm aas her mother ( the one thats been found)
no-one can tell you her father if he's not named on the birth cert