Genealogy Chat

The strange thing is she married 2 Newcastle men and settled in the area and when Lily was born they had a permanent address. Very odd!!

Maybe the reason the family can't be found is because they were from the Channel Islands. Possible that Lily's mom could have been visiting family/friends when Lily was born. It's so easy for family to believe something totally untrue isn't it.

Jillian
I added marriage details to my first post.
Gill

Hi Jillian.
Only that Joseph is deceased and before he died he changed his job to excise officer. Which fits in with a story in the family that he went after smugglers.
Also everyone in the family was convinced Lily was born in Sark in the Channel Islands until we found her born in Newcastle.
So more questions than answers!!!!
Gill

Anything useful on the marriage cert Gill?

J

Nudge up

Thank's everyone for your input yesterday. Address on Birth cert 21 London Rd, Newcastle, Staffs. I will get both marriage cert details today.
Thanks again Gill

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Louisa Gundry
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1858
Baptism Date: 20 Jan 1858
Father's Name: Charles Gundry
Mother's Name: Hannah Gundry
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Mary Magdalene, Holloway Road
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers



Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Mary Magdalene, Holloway Road, Register of baptisms, P83/MMG, Item 001.


date of birth - 5th December 1857

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surname is GUNDRY on other census returns


1881

GUNDIY, Charles Head Married M 64 1817 Licensed Victualler
Baughurst
Hampshire VIEW
GUNDIY, Hannah Wife Married F 62 1819
Hersham
Surrey VIEW
>>>>>>>GUNDIY, Louisa Daughter Single F 23 1858
Holloway
Middlesex VIEW
GUNDIY, Peter Son Single M 21 1860 Gardener (D)
Holloway
Middlesex VIEW

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Piece:
1181 Folio:
8 Page:
9 Registration District:
Isle of Wight

Civil Parish:
St Helens Municipal Borough:
Address:
High Park Tavern, St Helens County:
Hampshire

Just to say that if you look on FMP for 1911 there is only one Gunday and 17 Gundey, none in Staffordshire.

Ex military men, especially officers might be rather patriotic with names.

Did they arrive from India ( or elsewhere) perhaps and then go back on their travels.?

Gwyn

I take it that there was nothing more specific than Inland Revenue Officer. I'm sure that in those days being a civil servant was no slouchy job. Joseph must have been fairly well educated on the read, write and numeracy side.

If the family travelled around, did they return at some point to Staffordshire or did she just return to get married?

I think that if her parents were not English they weren't Welsh either. I wasn't sure that many Welsh people would think enough of the Monarchy to mark the jubilee like that. So I looked again at FreeBMD and looked at the locations of the entries. I didn't spot any, on a very quick scan that had Jubilee births registered in Wales. So I reckon what's left is Northern Ireland and Scotland. I don't know enough about Northern Irish history of the time to know how popular the British Monarchy would be there.

So how about Scotland, Isle of Wight, Isle of Man? No answers for you, just thinking out loud so to speak.

xJ

For reference
This might be the East Preston Daisy Laura shown as Daisy, boarding with her mother Laura and siblings with the CAPLEN family in 1901

Name: Daisy Green
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation: Daur Boarder (Boarder)
Gender: Female
Where born: Littlehampton, Sussex, England

Civil parish: Littlehampton
Ecclesiastical parish: Littlehampton
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:


Registration district: East Preston
Sub-registration district: Littlehampton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 135
Piece: 962
Folio: 82
Page Number: 26
Household Members: Name Age
David Caplen 33
Mary Caplen 30
Laura Green 41
Ethel Green 10
Daisy Green 8 <<<<<<<
John Green 5
Adelaide Green 1

Gwyn

Thank's Jillian,
tell me about it have been trying for 2 days, daughter in laws grandma is still alive (Lily's daughter in law) I have told her she has to sit her down and grill her lol I wonder if they lived abroad for a few years,just don't know. Will post again tomorrow.
Gill

Just one more question - no chance of an address on the birth cert I suppose!!
jan

I've tried the vaguest of searches on FamilySearch and nothing. Similar search on FreeBMD for her parents and zilch.

I thought maybe if I could find Joseph's death but zero too.

You'd think with a name like she had it would be like a beacon. Parents just don't seem to be showing up in England or Wales.

Post anything you can find on the cert tomorrow.

xJ

We'll wait for that then to see if it helps. What an elusive faimly!
Daisy Laura Green is fairly unusual, unfortunate that we do not know if it is her maiden or married name.
I can see only 2 obvious BMD entries neither of which seem too helpful - the Sussex one appears with her parents on a census.

Name: Daisy Laura Green
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1893
Registration district: East Preston
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 376

Name: Daisy Laura Green
Birth Date: 16 Nov 1889
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1981
Age at Death: 91
Registration district: Vale Royal
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 35
Page: 0858

Hi Brummiejan.
Just say Shanklin for husband and Newcastle,Staffs for Lily. One witness was Daisy Laura Green can't remember the other ,daughter in Law has cert it's her great grandma. will get copies tomorrow.
Gill

Just can't see any trace of her or her parents on a census.
Do you have an address and names of witnesses from first marriage cert?
Jan

Hi Gwyn,
Yes and her second marriage in 1919 to Percy Banks Rhead,that was Newcastle we have both of them but where her parents came from is anyone's guess!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gill