Genealogy Chat

Hi Phillip, you seem to be doing it right. :-)

Thank you very much for all the information. It gives me plenty of avenues to pursue. I am really greatful and apologise if I am not doing this the correct way.

I think the shipping records and the school record are the same person, not unusual for a record to be a year or so out on birth year. Birth registration was quarter commencing October 1888 which could well fit an August birth.

The school record gives his address as 32 Ivydale Road. His previous school was Vickery Place and his education level was I. He left 04/02/1998 with the note "removed to Epping".

Not sure but there is a school record..
London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911
about David Dunbar
Name: David Dunbar
Age: 8
Birth Date: 6 Aug 1888
School: Ivydale Road School
Borough: Southwark
Admission Date: 10 Nov 1896
Parent: Wm

There's also this one - same number.

Merchant Navy Seamen 1835-1941

Last name: DUNBAR
First names: David Ernest
Age:
Day of birth: 6
Month of birth: August
Year of birth: 1887
Place of birth: London
County/country of birth: London
Card type: CR10
Discharge number: 438590
Identity certificate no.: 871611
Series: BT350
Date range: 1918-1921
Piece number:

He was a storekeeper. DoB 06/08/1887. There is a photo of him.
On the Novaia 27/08/1920

(Will send images over the weekend - going out soon)

Merchant Navy Seamen 1835-1941

Last name: DUNBAR
First names: David Ernest Mitchell
Age:
Day of birth:
Month of birth:
Year of birth: 1887
Place of birth: London
County/country of birth: London
Card type: CR1
Discharge number: 438590
Identity certificate no.:
Series: BT349
Date range: 1921-1941

There's not much further info on the card. He was a 2nd steward and it was dated 30/10/1929. He may have been on a ship called the Herefordshire.

I suppose it confirms he was still a seaman then.

It appears that he ran a Boarding house at 79 B/C Durning Road, Liverpool, he appears to have gone into Bankruptcy in September 1955, two years prior to his death. 79 Durning Road is now a Youth Club. I have been in contact with them and they have informed me that the club opened in 1962. They are checking with some older residents that attend the club to try and find out what buildings were on the site prior to 1962. If anyone has any ideas where I can check when he took on the boarding house as this may help me to find him in the Census?

Thanks for that Sylvia, I will look into both sites. Thank you BeverleyW, I now have a copy of that page from the Edinburgh Gazette, it also appeared in the London Gazette.

There was a posting on Rootschat, asking about this family ...... and someone has said that there is a One Name Study on Dunbar

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,217351/prev_next,next.html



just enter one name study, and you should be able to find it.




sylvia

There are 2 Private Family trees on ancestry ................... I cannot see who else is on there, except that they have David Ernest Mitchell Dunbar


It might be worth your while to go on there, and contact the tree ownners to see if they have any more information.




sylvia

Found this in the Edinburgh Gazette dated 23.Sept. 1955 but there's no indication of what the entry refers to (I wonder if it's a bankruptcy notice)

David Mitchell Ernest Dunbar, 74 Rodney Street, Liverpool,
caretaker, lately carrying on business alone as a
boarding house keeper, at 79 B/C Durning Road, Liverpool

http://www.edinburgh-gazette.co.uk/issues/17327/pages/584/page.pdf

It suggests that at some time he had dealings in Scotland again.

If he was a cabin boy and then trained later to become a ships steward, would there be records somewhere showing which ships he was on and when ? Would he have had a seamans passport/identity record showing when he started on a particular ship and where he went? Where could I check ?

As he would have been 12-13 in 1901, it's just possible he was working, maybe as a cabin boy in view of his future career? Certainly can't see him anywhere at all on any census.
Jan

Sorry for that Jan, first time on this. Thanks for your help. Have tried the Scottish Census - no luck. Have Alexander Skene Dunbar on 1911 census thankyou. :-)

pm

'Thats all the family, he was a Mercantile Marine prior to being a ships steward when he grew up. Believe he worked on ships from Liverpool to Llandudno and Isle of Man after the 1st WW.'

Looks likely he was possibly working then, at least in1911.

Jan

Phillip, make sure you reply on here, avoid sending messages unless it's something confidential.
Must say I can't see him anywhere. Maybe they just missed him off!!
Jan

I see what you mean - here are the rest of the family:

1901 England Census

Name: Cornelius John Durham Dunbar
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Buyers Dunbar
Mother's Name: Annie Mitchell Dunbar
Gender: Male
Where born: Bow, London, England

Civil parish: Leyton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Catherine
County/Island: Essex

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: North Leyton
ED, institution, or vessel: 6

William Buyers Dunbar 52
Annie Mitchell Dunbar 46
Alexander Skene Dunbar 25
Alexanderina Smith Dunbar 22
Cornelius John Durham Dunbar 18
Georgina Alice Mahill Dunbar 9
Jessie Buyers Dunbar 7
Fanny Beatty Dunbor Pay 20
John Henry Pay 28

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As his father was born in Scotland, could he have been staying with relatives in Scotland in 1901 and 1911?

Parents William and Annie and with several siblings in the census where you found him. Have you found the parents and siblings in other census?

Must be him though has age as 5:

891 England Census about David M E Dunbar
Name: David M E Dunbar
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William B Dunbar
Mother's Name: Annie Dunbar
Gender: Male
Where born: Islington, London, England

Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: London

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: Hackney

William B Dunbar 42
Annie Dunbar 36
Alexander L Dunbar 15
William Dunbar 14
Fanny B Dunbar 10
Cornelius J Dunbar 7
David M E Dunbar 5
George A Mitchell 32
Jane Horner 50