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Hi all, i was just wondering do people tend to copy each others trees without definatly knowing who it is, for example i have just got a birth cert for my 5x gt grandfather William Havelock Hughes born in 1858 Liverpool father is Robert Newton Hughes mother Ellen Hughes nee Anderton, yet on ancestry there are 7 public trees with father Robert Owen Hughes mother Rose Ann Smyth, as i have his birth cert i am sure i am going down the right road but then start to doubt myself with so many having William Havelock with the wrong parents, is this common?

regards Carol.

Well some people do just copy others info . personally I will look at what has been given but double check for myself

Williams marriage cert may help with his fathers full name, or finding him on any census with his parents would help too

This seems to be your William:

1861 England Census
about William H Hughes Name: William H Hughes
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert N Hughes
Mother's Name: Ellen Hughes
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 45
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 87
Piece: 2706
Folio: 102
Page Number: 20
Household Members: Name Age
Robert N Hughes 34
Ellen Hughes 32
Charles J Hughes 7
William H Hughes 3
Mary Hughes 1

And the one with parents Robert & Rose:

1861 England Census
about William H Hughes Name: William H Hughes
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert O Hughes
Mother's Name: Rossena Hughes
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 154
Piece: 2654
Folio: 272
Page Number: 28
Household Members: Name Age
Robert O Hughes 30
Rossena Hughes 28
Robert S Hughes 7
Sarah A Hughes 5
William H Hughes 2

Thats him, ihave William Havelock birth & marriage certs both give address as Park St so i know Robert Newton is the correct father but seeing so many other public trees on ancestry going with the second Robert made me doubt myself for a minute,

Do you have this?

William John ROBERTS To Florence HUGHES
25th November 1900 at St Michael, Toxteth Park. Reg No 11.
William John ROBERTS, Mariner (23 year old bachelor) of 16 Alwyn Street.
Son of William ROBERTS, Cab Driver
married
Florence HUGHES (21 year old spinster) of Alwyn Street.
Daughter of William Havelock HUGHES, Mariner.
Witnesses - Paul ROBERTS & Eleanor ROBERTS.

And this?

John SPENCER To Clara Elizabeth HUGHES
15th December 1909 at St Silas, Toxteth Park, Liverpool. Reg No 360.
John SPENCER, Carpenter (23 yr old bachelor) of 4 Pimhill Street.
Son of John SPENCER, Caretaker
married
Clara Elizabeth HUGHES (28 yr old spinster) of 7 Elwy Street.
Daughter of William Havelock HUGHES, Stageman.
Witnesses - Francis Henry JENNINGS & Emma SPENCER.

Yes thanks Margee Florence was my gt gt gran she died when i was a small child but we have a old photo of 5 generations her being the eldest me the youngest

Oh! What a treasure that photo would be!

Ignore any 'info' which doesn't include proof of accuracy.

Public trees on Ancestry are often as unreliable as submitted records on the IGI.

If you have documentation, your own research is what you should rely on

this is the William Hughes son of Robert Owen Hughes and Rosanna - he is William Henry not William Havelock so I think you definitely have the right parents for William Havelock

Baptisms: 24 Oct 1858 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Henry Hughes - Child of Robert Owen Hughes & Rosanna
Born: 24 Sep 1858
Abode: Penrhyn St.
Occupation: Porter
Baptised by: A. J. Tomlin Curate
Register: Baptisms 1856 - 1865 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 17, Entry 565
Source: LDS Film 1068892

do you have the details of his marriage (mistranscribed middle name - correct on freebmd)

Marriage: 16 Mar 1879 St Michael in the Hamlet, Aigburth, Lancashire, England
William Hancock Hughes - 21 Mariner Bachelor of Park Road
Margaret Barker - 20 Spinster of Park Road
Groom's Father: Robert Hughes, Clerk
Bride's Father: John Barker, Shipsmith
Witness: John Quayle; Elizabeth Grimshaw
Married by Banns by: Jos. B. Lowe
Register: Marriages 1878 - 1880, Page 113, Entry 226

and parents

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1853
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HUGHES Robert N ANDERTON Ellen Toxteth Park, St. Thomas Liverpool 2132TP/1/251
Source: LDS Film 2147883

yes lancashireann i do have those but thanks to you all for your help and suggestions many thanks Carol.

Hi carol, I added a bit on your Havelock Hughes thread: http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1287133

When I was looking on Ancestry I noticed they'd all seemed to fall into the same trap by copying willy-nilly.

I've made a comment on one saying the parents are wrong so let's see if they all pick up the comment.

I sent a message to someone who had a definate flaw in his tree on Ancestry. He had a woman having a child at 58 - 20 years after her youngest child was born. He sent a message back saying that he'd got the info. off another tree and hadn't had chance to have a good look at it :-S Looking at the census returns it clearly shows that this child was the child of the woman's daughter who lived with them when the daughter died.

Ancestry trees are not to be trusted. The Americans seem to delight in copying anything they find in another tree without bothering to check it out. I am blowed if I know how my sister came to marry a man born 176 years before her own father was born. And they quote as source 'Ancestry trees'. And they deny that there is an error in their tree. Grrrrr.

Huia.

Carol if your tree is on ancestery make share the setting are set on privet
you will nether no were your certs and photos will end up.
as any one can just take a copy of them of your tree

i also have some of my ancesters in the wrong place in other peoples tree on ancestery .

Yes Carol, only last week saw about 6 trees on Ancestry who had the year and place of death of my gg grandmother which I had been seeking for 14 yrs. I contacted them all asking for more information (already suspecting the reply) which was oh I copied it of so and so.

Carol

Have to add I try not to look at trees on Ancestry any more which is hard as you always think you may crack that brick wall. But there are so many wrong trees on my paternal line now that it makes it a farce.

Carol :-S

It's not just Ancestry. It happens on GR as well. We have a contact on here who came up with some new Hot Matches (back when you got them regularly) and I discovered that she had our two sons married to the wrong wives, with the children attached to the wrong parents and several people born in places they had never been to!!

As our tree was still showing the correct info, this must have been some very absent-minded copying!

Thank you all for your comments & help, i thought i was going mad even though i had William Havelock Hughes birth & marriage certs i was beginning to doubt what i was seeing as there are so many other trees with what appears tobe the wrong parents so it seems people must just copy without true facts, thank you all once again
Carol