Genealogy Chat

Had Internet problems, hence the delay in getting back.....
The William Colley & Mary Couch marriage of 1827 was handed to me by a member of the wife's family. [Long gone now - not the wife but the member of the family !]
Sue's William, Mary and son looked 'spot on'.
Karen's Mary Colley [ pauper ] also looked to be in the right place....
Looking through the FreeBDM isn't exactly my forte, but that was where I spent most of last night...
What I have is - William Colley 1786 married Mary Couch in 1827, born in 1791. They has a son called William in 1822 [Oooop's, 1822, that's not right], Parents were married in 1827 - I'll get back on that... Anyway he married a Anne Marie Welsh

Had Internet problems, hence the delay in getting back.....
The William Colley & Mary Couch marriage of 1827 was handed to me by a member of the wife's family. [Long gone now - not the wife but the member of the family !]
Sue's William, Mary and son looked 'spot on'.
Karen's Mary Colley [ pauper ] also looked to be in the right place....
Looking through the FreeBDM isn't exactly my forte, but that was where I spent most of last night...
What I have is - William Colley 1786 married Mary Couch in 1827, born in 1791. They has a son called William in 1822 [Oooop's, 1822, that's not right], Parents were married in 1827 - I'll get back on that... Anyway he married a Anne Marie Welsh

Got carried away there and pressed the SUBMIT key too soon !!!!!
Married Anne Marie Welsh in 1855 in Liskeard...

John

I have a thesis to put forward to you ......... and you might not like it!!!


BOTH William and Mary were of somewhat advanced age for a first marriage in 1827

Mary was seemingly born around 1790 ...... which makes her about 37 on marriage

William was seemingly born 1785 +/- 5 years ............... and that makes him around 40 on marriage

Those ages match up with the ages on the 1841 and 1851 censuses.

I suggest that Mary at least might have been married before ......... and that Couch might well NOT be her maiden name.

William might also have been married before ......... OR he might have been in the services (eg, the navy) as a ship's carpenter (carpenter being his occupation on the 1841 Census).




Note that the son William Colley was age 20 on the 1841 Census ....... which means he was born around 1821. That pre-dates the marriage with Mary Couch

He could be a child of William's first marriage



or of course, he could be Mary's child adopted by William


BUT if we have the correct marriage date, he really can't be the child of William and Mary Couch.




sylvia

This guy looks as though he could possibly be the Wiiliam Colley, age 20 on the 1841. That William was a Carpenter, so is this guy

1861 England Census

Name: William Colley
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Devonport, Devon, England

Civil parish: Pelynt
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Registration district: Liskeard
Sub-registration district: Looe

John Hambly 33
Jane Hambly 37
William Colley 40 Married, Carpenter
Christopher Stephens 22


and in 1851

1851 Census

Name: William Colley
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Relation: Lodger
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Devonport, Devon, England

Civil parish: Liskeard
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Registration district: Liskeard
Sub-registration district: Liskeard

William Hick 42
Alice Hick 50
Robert Bath 22
William Hicks 28
Ann Hicks 33
Henry Harvey 42
John Trenouth 10
George Reed 22
William Colley 33 Unmarried, Journeyman Carpenter
George Mogg 24





sylvia

What you say Sylvia sounds logical... I'm looking at your John Colley and Charity Couch, and MCs William babtised in 1781 with same parents..
William married 1820 had son William in 1822 re-married in 1827 to Mary.. just assuming ...John

For information, here is the marriage of William Colley


Marriages Mar 1855 (>99%)

>>>>COLLEY William Liskeard 5c 114
GODFREY Jane Liskeard 5c 114
Hooper John Liskeard 5c 114
>>>>WELSH Anna Maria Liskeard 5c 114


He is with Anne M on the 1871 Census




sylvia

William down as married on 1861 census, I have him down as getting married in 1855, so that fits, ending up with two children, Mary Maria and William Henry...
John

The problem, John, is that there is no proof of that 1781 birth, other than the one record.

It is true that it is an extracted record, taken from the actual parish record.


BUT Colley appears to be a very common name in Cornwall and Devon, and we have no other suggestion that William's father was called John!



sylvia

Cheers for that info Sylvia.
John

Several William Colley marriages in Devon on the FMP site:
William Colley & Priscilla Tressions in Stoke Damerel 19 Sep 1759
William Colley & Mary Westcott in Charles, Plymouth 27 Mar 1808
William Colley & Ann Palmer in Stoke Damerel 31 Oct 1824
William Colley & Mary Couch in Stoke Damerel 1 Dec 1827
William Colley (son of John) & Elizabeth Miller (dau of John) in Stoke Damerel 9 Jun 1840

If the birthdate of 1786 is correct, I would have thought the 1808 marriage is a contender. Possibly Ann Palmer and/or Mary Couch were second/third wives - unfortunately, the records on FMP do not state whether the participants were widowed. :-(

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/stokedamerelopc

Enables you to ask for look-ups in the baptism and burial registers for the early years of the 19thc, so you may be able to see if a wife (or wives) died.

You could also try

www.cornwall-opc-database.org

another free site with lots of data transcriptions. The 1781 baptism in St Germans is on there, so are a lot of Mary Couches :-P

Kim,
many thanks for all that work, very much appreciated, and many thanks also for the web sight..........

John :-)