Genealogy Chat

So Happy I could cry, so glas I was on the right track and that you all have confirmed it for me. Self doubt is a terrible thing in this game. :-)

thanks Vera

I'm PM you with my e-mail address.

Joe

I have saved the cert. If you want a copy I can e mail it to you

Vera

Beverley

Thanks for that bit about the tree on Ancestry, I don't have it, so I will check it out next time I'm at the archives.

Joe :-)

I'd like to give you all a big thank yous and hugs all round for your help, looks like I was on the right track after all, now I wonder why I doubted myself.

Vera Thanks for looking up that death for me, I'll go on today and get a copy of it.

mgnv, Helen I had come up with the same ones for the census' and then for some reason decided it couldn't be them. Now I'm wondering why.

Thanks again for all your wonderful help. :-D

Have a wonderful day.
Joe. :-)

Helen

That's right. My mother (me ma) used to put it on in the morning and it never came off all day, well maybe late on in the evening. I do recall one of those linen catalogues having them but I think I'll pass on one. Yes, lovely memories.

Vera :-)

Vera,

Is that a cross-over peenie your ancestor's wearing ... I haven't seen one of those in years although I remember everybody's mother wearing one. I came across an old shop a few years ago still selling them ... brought back happy memories.

James Somerville and Christian Baird's children .. Mary is listed in the 1841 census previously sent. Jane and Margaret are in both 1841 and 1851 census. For whatever reason, Thomas' baptism is not noted.


Father: James Sommerville
Mother: Christian Baird

Children:

JANET SOMMERVILL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 16 MAR 1823 Carnwath, Lanark, Scotland

MARY ROGER SOMERVILL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 15 APR 1824 Cambusnethan, Lanark, Scotland

MARGARET SUMERVILLE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 12 FEB 1837 Cambusnethan, Lanark, Scotland

JEAN SOMERVELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 19 JAN 1834 Cambusnethan, Lanark, Scotland

JANET SOMMERVILL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 23 DEC 1822 Cambusnethan, Lanark, Scotland

MARY RODGER SOMMERVILL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 18 APR 1824 Cambusnethan, Lanark, Scotland

Piece: SCT1851/628 Place: Cambusnethan -Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Cambusnethan Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Wishaw
Folio: 649 Page: 20 Schedule: 67
Address: Marshalls Row
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Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
SOMERVILLE James Head M M 49 Banksman Lanarkshire - Wishaw
SOMERVILLE Christian Wife M F 55 Lanarkshire - Overtown
SOMERVILLE Jane Dau U F 17 Tambourer Lanarkshire - Wishaw
SOMERVILLE Margaret Dau U F 14 Tambourer Lanarkshire - Wishaw
COHRAN Malcolm Lodger U M 21 Coalminer Lanarkshire - Gargell
GRAY John Lodger U M 25 Labourer Lanarkshire - Wishaw

Joe

re Helen's posting of Thomas Sommerville death 1910

Certificate on Scotlands People has him dying 26 Feb 1910 aged 82.. Widower of Elizabeth Douglas.

He died at York Street, Wishaw.

His parents were:

Father James Sommerville Carting Contractor deceased
Mother Christina Sommerville nee Baird deceased

Informant Grandson Thomas Hamilton

Re Scottish marriages. On the birth certificates of my grandmother and great aunts and uncles, their mother Mary Jane lists herself as being married to the same man on three separate occasions and at three diffferent churches. Never found any marriage. Suspect they never wed.

Vera

Re "They were married supposedly on May 7th 1846 in Wishaw."

It's interesting that they state Wishaw rather than the CofS parish Cambusnethan. That makes me think they weren't married in the parish kirk. However, that in itself doesn't mean they weren't married in the CofS.
(My grandad's b.rego says his parents were wed in Deer, rather than Old Deer, but they were wed by the minister of Old Deer. He performed many marrs outside the kirk itself - I've not seen the actual parish register to confirm that he recorded it there as he should have - I just have the civil m.rego since this was post 1855.)

It must also raise the possibility he was wed in some non-conformist kirk, maybe a free or dissenting kirk or even RC. SP now has RC records scanned, but I think many non-conformist registers are not available for one reason or another.

A third possibility is an irregular marr. In the 1920s, these formed 15% of all marrs, but were less common in the 1850s. In 1855, only 6 were registered, but I think that's down to a lack of registration, not a lack of irregular marrs.

Since they give specific details, I'm sure a marr did take place, even if no record of it is obtainable.

Just for interest, a tree on Ancestry has Thomas (1827-1910) as son of James Somerville (1800-1868) and Christian Baird (1801-1870).
Sisters Mary, Jane and Margaret (as per 1841 census).
Wife Elizabeth Douglas (1829-1898 - died in West Lothian) daughter of John Douglas and Elizabeth Young.

If what you are really interested in is the ancestry of Thomas, I think that the 1841 census is definitely the right family.
As Helen has said, the death certificate would give you some confirmation.

Marriage records cannot be found for several reasons ..

One being the parish record book did not survive.

Or perhaps they were married in one of the churches that broke away from the established church (Church of Scotland) after the disruption in 1843.

In which case they may have been married in the Free church .. etc.

Some of these records are kept in the General Register in Edinburgh but I don't know how you would track down your particular record.

It might be worth downloading the death record for the Thomas Sommerville mentioned above. Might not be yours, but at least it would eliminate it from your search. If it turns out to be the correct death, it should mention his parents names .. if known. Also if he was a widower of Elizabeth Douglas.

I'm now starting to think maybe her names wasn't Elizabeth.

Okay I did a search for Somerville and Douglas between 1841 and 1851 in Lark and came up with one, and it's the wrong one.

I then tried putting in two M's and nothing comes up.

No idea what is going on. :-(

Hi Berverly

I did, I think I had two M in Sommerville though but I didn't do an exact seach though. :-(

I'll try again just using the one M, and get back to you.

I just looked on ScotlandsPeople and a search for surname Somerville, wife's name Douglas in Lanark between 1844 and 1848 shows two results.

Are you sure you looked under Pre-1855 Banns and Marriages?

Okay so I found Christina's birth record and have thus found her parents Thomas Sommerville and Elizabeth Douglas's marriage date, but when I search on scotlands people they don't appear. :-( Can anyone suggest a reason why. :-S

They were married supposedly on May 7th 1846 in Wishaw.

Gypsy Joe

Oooh I'm feeling so confused now.

I'll look out the birth certificate for Christina and Robert Sommerville as suggested Helen I can't remember if I've searched for them or not.

I really wish I had unusual names it would make things so much easier.

I'll keep everyone one posted with what I find.

Thanks again for all your help everyone. :-D :-D

Gypsyjoe

Gypsy Joe -
I would have thought that the 1841 census is your family, especially since Helen has found the children of Thomas and Elizabeth - oldest son James, oldest daughter Christina (Christian), plainly named after Thomas's parents.