Genealogy Chat

Hi
Got my grandads birth certificate, but it didn't help, I still can't find him in any of the census' (well actually he would only be in the 1911) and can't find his parents together in any of them either, because they should be in the 1911.
Can't find marriage cert. of them either, any where in the country!! LOL
What to do now? Do I try and get a marriage cert for his mum and Dad. I have found her, or what I think is her, in the 1881/1891 with her Mum, Dad, brothers and sisters.
George Saunders 1907, of Tylers Green, chepping wycombe, then his Dad, John Saunders, unknown dob, and Elizabeth Elstone, dob unknown (for sure).
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Just don't know where John was born, or where they both went/married etc, but my grandad is registered and lived in Penn/Tylers Green. He was disowned for marrying my nan, so we don't know anything about them!
Thanks everyone who read this and anyone who thinks they may be able to help
Cassi :-D

Do you have the marriage certificate for John Saunders and Elizabeth Elstone?

Do you know when Ada was born?

Can you name some of the brothers?

Have you tried looking for surname variations for spelling and pronunciation?

A valuable lesson I learned years ago about surnames came from a talk in Birmingham from a gentleman linked to the Spode family. If I remember rightly he had a missing branch that refused to be found. I wish I could remember exactly but I think he was up Newcastle way and somehow found the family or realised what had happened. This member of the elusive branch had headed to north-east England. And somewhere along the line Spode had been translated to Spoward and written as it sounded ie Spode but with a Geordie accent. So wait until you are by yourself and no one in your house can think you have gone loopy and try out the names you are looking for in the various accents of this great country.

Is this him? Not helpful if so.

Institution: Wycombe Union Workhouse, WYCOMBE UNION WORKHOUSE

SAUNDERS, George Child F 0 (7 MONTHS) 1911 High Wycombe Bucks VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
7915 Reference:
RG14PN7915 RD145 SD4 ED10 SN9999

Registration District:
Wycombe Sub District:
Stokenchurch Enumeration District:
10 Parish:
Saunderton

Address:
Saunderton High Wycombe Buckinghamshire County:
Buckinghamshire

What details are on your grandfather's birth certificate? Father's occupation? Mother's maiden name?

Why doesn't it help?

Is this one of the brothers? (on Familysearch)

birth: 01 Sep 1904
residence: 1904 —Lacy-Green, Buckingham, England
parents: John William Saunders, Elizabeth Daisy

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Cecil Jabez Saunders
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 23 Oct 1904
baptism/christening place: Lacey-Green, Buckingham, England
birth date: 01 Sep 1904

This is the family found by Beverley:

SAUNDERS, John Head Married M 37 1874 Carpenter Lacey Green Bucks VIEW
SAUNDERS, Daisy Wife Married
14 years F 34 1877 Lacey Green Bucks VIEW
SAUNDERS, William Son M 14 1897 Carpenter Lacey Green Bucks VIEW
SAUNDERS, Frederick Son M 12 1899 School Lacey Green Bucks VIEW
SAUNDERS, Cecil Son M 6 1905 School Lacey Green Bucks VIEW
GINGER, Emily Aunt Single F 69 1842 Lacey Green Bucks VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
7897 Reference:
RG14PN7897 RG78PN395 RD145 SD3 ED2 SN110

Registration District:
Wycombe Sub District:
Princes Risborough Enumeration District:
2 Parish:
Princes Risborough

Address:
The Black Horse Lacey Green Princes Risboro Buckinghamshire County:
Buckinghamshire


Marriages Dec 1896 (>99%)
DELL Elizabeth Daisy Wycombe 3a 1148
Hickman Joseph Leonard Wycombe 3a 1148on
SAUNDERS John William Wycombe 3a 114

There seem to be two Elizabeth Elstones both registered in the Eton district:
December quarter 1876 and September quarter 1878 :-(

If you are sure that the birth cert is for your grandad i would not jump to finding his parents marriage just yet,

if you give the full details on the birth cert
full names of both parents including previous
dads occupation,
names of witnesses.
address where born

Then it may be easier to find them
they may be mis transcribed on the 1911 census,

Roy

Hello Cass,

It maybe worthwhile putting the names you are researching into the Search Trees box above (in the dark green bar) as several people seem to have George Saunders in their tree.....1906/7 /Wycombe. You can contact the tree owners for further information. Cx.

Thankyou everyone for taking time out to help!
Brummiejan - workhouse=nope, The Saunders' of Lacey Green, I have explored them, but none of the Johns match up, it could well be that some of them are cousins etc, but have to know which way to head from John!
Porkie Pie/Brummiejan = The birth cert. = thought it might help as it has his ma and pa on there, but they don't appear on the census and can't find them individually either; details as follows;
born; 2nd January 1907, George; Father; John Saunders, General Labourer, Mother; Elizabeth Saunders formerly Elstone, resident in Tylers Green, Chepping Wycombe. Registered in what is now known as High Wycombe in Bucks/Buckinghamshire. No witnesses, how do I find them?

Without a link to John in the 1911, or his marriage cert. I can't find his father, my Great Grandfather, and find his (John's) brothers or sisters, or his Mum etc etc. I currently have over 600 in my tree, mostly there from my own research, but because we don't know ANYTHING about them, apart from his sister Ada, who incidently only had 1/2 an arm after an industrial accident, I am stuck!
Jillian, thankyou for the tip, I have tried that a bit, but without confirmation I could be looking at anyone!! Same to BeverleyW, I need to confirm John, before I can explore everyone else.
If I could just find some evidence of John and Elizabeth together somewhere, it would help. She may have changed her name, for instance, we have loads of Ellen's at one stage, and my great aunt Ellen was known as Lizzie, so could be something like that.
Do you think my best bet is to go to our High Wycombe library and look through the micro films?
Could take a day off work for a nice research day!!!
Tips for that if it's recommended??
Cassi
:-0 :-D :-) :-\ ;-) <3 <3

Do you think this is them?





SAUNDERS, John Head Married M 56 1855 Threshing Machine Attendant Oxon Thame VIEW
SAUNDERS, Elizabeth Wife Married
5 years F 48 1863 Bucks Burnham VIEW
ELSTON, Ada Daughter F 8 1903 Bucks Burnham VIEW
ELSTON, George Son M 5 1906 Bucks Penn VIEW
ELSTON, Ellen Elizabeth Daughter F 0 (11 MONTHS) 1911 Bucks Chesham VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
7789 Reference:
RG14PN7789 RG78PN388 RD143 SD2 ED2 SN104

Registration District:
Amersham Sub District:
Chesham Enumeration District:
2 Parish:
Chesham

Address:
6 Townfield Yard Chesham County:
Buckinghamshire

Edit: Have just looked at the original and the two younger children have the surname Saunders on it. Also says 4 children born, 2 still living.

It looks like it to me, Staffslass.

Births Sep 1903 (>99%)
Elstone Ada Minnie Eton 3a 915

Births Jun 1910 (>99%)
SAUNDERS Ellen Elizabeth Amersham 3a 929

According to the 1911 census Elizabeth was born 1863 Bucks Burnham
this is the nearest birth i can find but cannot see a marriage for her to John


Name: Kate Elizabeth Elston
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1863
Registration district: Headington
Inferred County: Buckinghamshire, Oxfordshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 547

Roy

I am wondering if ELSTON is Elizabeth's maiden name?

the 1911 say's married 5 years so they married in 1906+/- so she was 43 years old when first married? could Elston be a previous married name?

I think Ada born 1903 so before the marriage could be the key to this

Roy

Ok it looks good, but Mum said that he had many brothers, not just Ada.
Hang on...ok, just been over notes I took while speaking to Mum and Dad about him. 5 children all together, 2 f and 3 males. So, looking for two brothers and two sisters. Ada is the only one we know about.
The agricultural link is ok, mostly agricultural work around our area at that time, but gramp was a carpenter/upholsterer. Thought his dad would have been too, but can't be sure. Wycombe became a world market for furniture.
He was an educated man, disowned for marrying below his station, so to speak, for having a child out of wedlock, even though he married as soon as he got back from the army.
Will check out the ones you've found, but don't feel that Elston would have been the childrens surnames. They were middle class, don't feel they would have been in a position to exile my gramp for doing something that, essentially, was something they had done!
Thanks and be back tomorrow xoxox :-D

And will check also the Lacey Green carpenters, thanks Bev Jan and Staffslass and Roy.
Hoping its the Lacey Green!! lol
xoxox :-D

Cassi,

If you look at freebmd, there are four males born with the surname Saunders - mother's maiden name Elston between 1913 and 1920. William, James, Richard and John H.


It often happens that family stories get muddled in their telling - if you know what I mean.

Confirming by certificate is the sure way to get to the truth.

By the way, did you try contacting the other people on this site who have your family in their tree?


I am interested in this thread simply because my paternal line comes from the same area and I was able, through the IGI, to trace their baptisms back (at St. Lawrences of the Golden Ball fame), to the 1700's. :-D




Cx