Genealogy Chat

hello

after watching heir hunters i wondered how it is you find descendants.

they make it look so easy!

want to try and find descendants of my grandads siblings.

thanks :-S

Find their marriages............look for births with the relevant surnames.

OR............look for their deaths (assuming they aren't alive for you to just ask them) , and get the certs to see whether a child registered the event

I do wish that the people who broadcast these programmes would make it clear that their research is far from easy.....and that it COSTS MONEY. That's why they are so keen to sign up the beneficiaries - to recoup their outlay, and make a profit.

I agree, these programmes make it look so easy - and no mention of the costs involved!!!

If this makes any sense - you've got to go up the tree, to be able to come down (the branches).
So, going back to your grandad's parents....look for births from their marriage to establish all your grandad's siblings.
Then look for the siblings' marriages, and then look for births (of their children).

If any of the families were around in 1911 then the task would be a whole lot easier by finding a complete (more or less) family on the 1911 census, but you didn't say what sort of year/s you are searching.
The task would also be easier if you are after the London area, as 'Ancestry' now has a lot of the LMA bmd's online, up til 1921 for marriages :-)

K

Giving this a nudge up for kidsnpets

Last nights edition of WDYTYA involving Larry Lamb was probably one of the most realistic that I have seen. It encompassed a lot of those elements that GR members encounter on a regular basis. Adoption, people disappearing without a trace, name changes, 2nd/3rd marriages, false information, emigration ect.

Although it probably took a small army of researchers to piece it all together the programme at least explained the sources that the information was derived from. Sources which are readily available to family historians/genealogists. It also brought to peoples attention two places which might be helpful to those whose families may have included travelling show people amongst their ancestors.

Of course it would be nice to be able to jet off to some exotic location, to be met by archivists who had researched what our ancestors had been up to in their new chosen location and introduce us to their descendants but no hard feelings. How wonderful for an 84 year old lady to see pictures of her birth parents for the first time and to discover that she had a half brother when believing all her life that she was an only child.

thank you all for your replys, havent had much chance to get on my pc, with the kids being on there summer holidays!

It is the london area i am looking at i have the 1911 census that reads like this

Henry Turner age 47 born middlesex st pancras labourer
Ada F Turner age 37
Jane E age 20 (this has been crossed out)
Alfred 14
Walter J 12
Rose E 7
Ada E or T? 6
George W 3
joey or george possibly cannot read it age 2
Annie L Turner 3 and half months this is also crossed out?

says they had 12 children 7 survived and 5 have died.

living at 32 Tovey place (think thats what it says) kentish town.

at the bottom of the page it says there are 8 people living in the house
5 males and 3 females

where and how would be the best place to find more information etc.

also if i can find the children that died that may be able to help me with places they lived etc?

thanks for all your help and comments :-)

previous census may have additional children shown
if not on 1911 you can then look for death dates
it is harder if they are born and die between census
maddie

Just posting the full 1911 for info

Person: TURNER, Walter
Address: 32 Tovey Place Kentish Town

TURNER, Henry Head Married M 43 1868 Labourer Builders Mildlesex St Pancras VIEW
TURNER, Ada F Wife Married
22 years F 37 1874 N Middlsex St Pancras VIEW
TURNER, Alfred Son N M 14 1897 School Middlesex St Pancras VIEW
TURNER, Walter Son N M 12 1899 School Middlesex St Pancras VIEW
TURNER, Rose E Daughter N F 7 1904 N Middlesex St Pancras VIEW
TURNER, Ada T Daughter N F 6 1905 N Middlesex St Pancras VIEW
TURNER, George W Son N M 3 1908 N Middlesex St Pancras VIEW
TURNER, Trey Son N M 2 1909 N Middlesex St Pancras VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
750 Reference:
RG14PN750 RG78PN26 RD9 SD4 ED7 SN211

Registration District:
St Pancras Sub District:
North St Pancras Enumeration District:
7 Parish:
St P

Walter is Walter J

As the children were born before 1911, you will find their FULL names by looking on freebmd for their birth reg'ns.

ALL the family were born in St Pancras, so that makes your searches much easier.

'Trey' MIGHT be FRED

???????

Name: Ernest Turner
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1901
Baptism Date: 8 Sep 1901
Father's Name: Henry Turner ********Occ: Labourer
Mother's Name: Ada Florence Turner
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras
Borough: Camden


Place of Abode: Workhouse

Births Sep 1901 (>99%)
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Turner Ernest Pancras 1b 123

Deaths Dec 1901 (>99%)
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Turner Ernest 0 Pancras 1b 61

????????????? marriage
Name: Henry Turner
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Spouse Name: Ada Powell
Spouse Age: 18
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 06 Aug 1888
Parish: St Pancras Parish Church
County: Middlesex
Borough: Camden
Father Name: Joseph Turner
Spouse Father Name: George Powell

thanks very much for your reply

think Fred is more of a likely name then Trey but cant really read it my great grandad had some strange writing,

Have looked for them before in 1901 without much luck, i found Ernest like you and thought this was possibly right.
How do i find out if the rest of the family was in the workhouse in 1901?

need to find names/dates etc before i even try and find there descendants

:-) thanks

which person in this family are you wanting info on?

I,m guessing that one of these children is you grandad/ grandma

Henry Turner
Age:

13
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1868
Relation:
Son
Father's Name:
Joseph Turner
Mother's Name:
Ann Turner
Gender:
Male
Where born:
Hounslow, Middlesex, England
Civil parish:
Heston
County/Island:

Middlesex
Country:
England
Street Address:

High Street Hounslow

Education:
Employment status:

View image
Occupation:
Scholar
Registration district:

Brentford



Sub-registration district:

Isleworth



ED, institution, or vessel:

18



Neighbors:

View others on page



Piece:

1340



Folio:

57



Page Number:

11

Household Members:

Name

Age
Joseph Turner

46
Ann Turner

43



Joseph Turner

17
Henry Turner

13
Edward Turner

7
Alice Turner

15
Florence Turner

5



Harry Albone

39



William Barnes

19



George Beasley

19



Charles Higgins

15

Births Mar 1911 (>99%)
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TURNER Annie L Pancras 1b 114

Name: Annie L Turner
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1911
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1911
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: St Pancras
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 60

if the marriage is the right one this could be Ada . A childs birth cert would give you mothers maiden name to confirm it
Name: Ada Powell
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George Powell
Mother's Name: Mary A. Powell
Gender: Female
Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Pancras
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 27 Sidmouth St


Household Members:
Name Age
George Powell 44
Mary A. Powell 42
George J. Powell 21
Louisa J. Powell 19
Henry E. Powell 16
Jane E. Powell 11
Ada Powell 7

hello

my grandad was Walter and my great grandparents were Henry and Ada.

I am really trying to find more information about my grandads siblings,

cannot seem to find many of them in 1901 wanted if possible to start finding there births/deaths/marriages descendants etc.

Also Henry and Adas deaths cannot seem to find the right ones of these either.
would just like to build a general bigger picture have tried before with out much luck.

thanks

I do have the info of Ada and Henrys marriage etc i am not trying to find the ancestors of henry and ada at the moment, but more info on there children :-)

where can i find records of the st pancras street poor union workhouse

many thanks

Sometime you have to backwards and forwards to find them ...so try finding them on the 1891 census as they should !!! be together as a couple henry and ada!! That may lead you to them in 1901....

Henry Turner
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph Turner
Mother's Name: Ann Turner
Gender: Male
Where born: Hounslow, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Heston
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Hounslow
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Isleworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 161
Piece: 1314
Folio: 69
Page Number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Turner............carrier
33
Ann Turner
31
Mary A Turner
16
Emily Turner
11
Joseph Turner
6
Alice Turner
4
Henry Turner
3
John Turner
20>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nephew
George Cooper>>>>>servant
20
George Cosell>>>>>>servant
20
Samuel Springall>>>>>servant
16

1871.....Something went wrong coz they lost their money!! BUT you must check this with some certificates...