Genealogy Chat

Thanks Colin i'll check it out tommorrow

Martin

I agree with you Dee, one thing for sure between all of you today you firmed up in my mind a bit more about my fathers side of the family, good or bad! I know there is more to come yet with that same generation.

As this was my first ever post on any forum I am well pleased with the response and can't thank everyone enough for their replies, Thank you all.

I'm off to the pub now for a few beers and a game of darts

Thank you

Martin

Oh Martin,

the things we were never supposed to know and then the Web hits us....... all the secrets come out, don't know if it gives us the answers or just gives us more questions.

Sounds like you've got an interesting family there though.

Dee x

Well done Dee, it came as a shock to me and i guess that i was reluctant to accept it. I had to have a stiff drink when i got the marriage cert. My Mum's side is as bad she got married 4 times and had at least one illigitment child when she was 16 in 1934. no wonder I'm cracking up!!

Martin

Hi Martin,

Did your father marry twice?? Not being nosey but if he did he may have firstly married his cousin... her father Albany Meadows Benson who was Frank Hargreaves Bensons brother.

Dee x

Yes Kath Barrington Forsyth Benson is my Dad. he apparently changed his name by deed poll sometime between 1948 and 52 to Forsyth-Benson which is how i got my handle. both him and his brother it would seem were given Forsyth as an additional middle name. My Uncle dropped the Benson and his family are all Forsyth.

Martin

Thanks Dee and Kath, it could well be that Amelia and Mildred are one and the same and that he was married before either of them and as you say couldn't afford to divorce. That's why if i can find details of the act ;The Forsyths' somwhere else, newspapers etc, they probably had agents to book them their gigs, there would have been organizations that they would have been part of. It's just knowing where to look??

Martin

Thanks Dee and Kath, it is well posible that is the case, its in the right area of the country. both dad and my uncle never talked about the family which is strange as there was theater connections, i was on stage myself at the age of 3, yet it was never talked about.

That's why i did my original post as i thought that mabe coming at it from adifferent angle might yield different results after all there has to be a lot more press cuttings about the different acts that toured back then. it was at that time the TV of the day.

Martin

If I'm not mistaken, I think from my searches the name Barrington comes into your own ancestry doesn't it Martin?

Kath. x

This is most likely the death for Lawrence. he was registered as Lawrence Barrington Benson. .....someone has put a note saying he was christened with the name Hargreaves added;

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Lawrence H B Benson Name: Lawrence H B Benson
Birth Date: abt 1895
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1956
Age at Death: 61
Registration district: Northallerton
Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding
Volume: 1b
Page: 633a

And her birth to go with the census and the birth certificate for your Uncle Frank;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Mar 1876 (>99%)
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Malvern Amelia Isabel Northwich 8a 267

JONES, Mary Head Single F 57 1854 Cook At Restaurant Rusholme Manchester VIEW
BENSON, Ada Niece Married
17 years F 38 1873 Waitress At Restaurant Longsight Manchester VIEW
BENSON, Lawrence Nephew Single M 15 1896 Office Boy Chorlton on Medlock Manchester VIEW
HIBBERT, Marrion Eleanor Boarder Single F 25 1886 Carver At Restaurant Everton Liverpool VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
23768 Reference:
RG14PN23768 RG78PN1378B RD464 SD2 ED67 SN91

Registration District:
Chorlton Sub District:
Ardwick Enumeration District:
67 Parish:
South Manchester

Address:
8 Wincombe St Rusholme Manchester

I don't think you should write off the marriage to Ada. If Frank left her and the children then the rest of the family may not have known about them.

This is Ada in the 1911 census (still without Frank):-


JONES, Mary Head Single F 57 1854 Cook At Restaurant Rusholme Manchester
BENSON, Ada Niece Married 17 years F 38 1873 Waitress At Restaurant Longsight Manchester
BENSON, Lawrence Nephew Single M 15 1896 Office Boy Chorlton on Medlock Manchester
HIBBERT, Marrion Eleanor Boarder Single F 25 1886 Carver At Restaurant Everton Liverpool

Address:
8 Wincombe St Rusholme Manchester

Reference:
RG14PN23768 RG78PN1378B RD464 SD2 ED67 SN91

Kath. x

Martin,

Mildred was an unusual name back then.... more likely she was the Amelia I found on census with Comedian parents.

You may have no knowledge of a prior marriage for Frank H Benson, however there is a very strong chance that he did marry prior to meeting Mildred......... hence no marriage to her as divorce was VERY expensive and out of reach for the average family.

Dee x

Thanks everyone, you have all found what i found but here is another twist my Dad's older brother Frank Reginald Forsyth Benson born 1908, his mother on his certificate is Amelia Isabel Benson formaly Malvern, my first thought they were sisters or cousins but with not finding a birth for Mildred I'm stuck. The 'Millie' bit could easily apply to either of the two women.

The marriage to Ada Jones does'nt check as I have no knowledge of the children of that relationship.

Martin

1901 England Census
about Frank H Benson Name: Frank H Benson
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ada Benson
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: North Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Kirkmanshulme St Cyprian
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Prestwich
Sub-registration district: Newton
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 273
Piece: 3761
Folio: 49
Page Number: 42
Household Members: Name Age
Frank H Benson 32
Ada Benson 29
Lawrence H Benson 5
Mary Jones 82
Mary Jones 49

Thanks Lyndsey, what threw me is the ages it looks like they reduced their ages by 10 years, why I hav'nt a clue.

Martin

This is the only birth I can see anywhere that is near to the right age. Perhaps Mildred was one of her middle names:-

Name: MALVERN, Mary Matilda M E
Registration District: Bromyard
County: Herefordshire
Year of Registration: 1882
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: 6A
Page No: 524

Since there is a big age gap between the couple and Frank seems to have married someone else, maybe they just lived together and never actually married.

Kath. x

So Dad and Mum were in the "trade";

1881 England Census
about Joseph H.B. Malvern Name: Joseph H.B. Malvern
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Otley
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: Westgate
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Comedian (Actor)

Registration district: Wharfedale
Sub-registration district: Otley
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4337
Folio: 141
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Matthews 52
John Matthews 25
Emily Matthews 11
Joseph H.B. Malvern 40
Sarah A. Malvern 32 >> Comedian
Emmeline M. B. Malvern 15
Lydia A.B. Malvern 10
Daniel J.B. Malvern 7
>>>>>>>>>Amelia J.B. Malvern 5
Joseph W.B. Malvern 1

franks birth
BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Birth
Name: BENSON, Frank Hargrave
Registration District: Help West Derby
County: Lancashire
Year of Registration: 1868
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: Help 8B
Page No: Help 433
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there is this marraige ??? is it relevant
BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: BENSON, Frank Hargreaves
Registration District: Help Chorlton
County: Lancashire
Year of Registration: 1893
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 8C
Page No: Help 1172
MarriageFinder™: Frank Hargreaves Benson married one of the following people Help


JONES, Ada view record


THOMSON, Jane view record