Genealogy Chat

When looking for a common name and so many come up how
would you ever whcich is the right record you could not get all certificates
Maegaret

You can look at other factors. Age, place of birth, spouse, children, occupation etc.

Sometimes you simply can't tell which of a number of entries is correct.

Andy

We spent several years tracing my wife's grandmother's Rimmer family in Southport. The name is notoriously difficult to reseach as it is so widespread. It wasn't helped by the fact that g grandfather changed his age on each census. This meant that there were several births to choose for over a period of 18 - 24 months.

We knew gg grand parents names but only mothers christian name, not her surname. Again there were several marriages to choose from. We thought we had the correct one based on location and ages of the children on the census, but it wasn't to be.

Eventually I decided to look meticulously for birth certificates for all of the siblings - from the censuses there were eleven known to have survied. With the exception of one, all had common christian names so again there were several options to choose from - again we got nowhere. We eventually found the birth for the one girl who had a less common christian name and ordered her birth cert. That proved to be the breakthrough, as not only was it the correct one it gave us gg grandmother's surname.

Armed with this we were able to trace gg grandparents marriage. It turned out not the one we had thought it to be - so there are several trees out there on GR and Ancestry who took my original research at face value and now have an incorrect tree.....!

We were then able to order g grandfathers birth certificate without quoting the GRO Ref as we had both parents full names. When you order in this way, the GRO search one year either side of the year you quote. We knew it was sometime between 1846 and 1848 so we quoted 01/01/1847 as the year.

Certs ordered this way without the ref take a month to arrive but well worth the wait in the end. You also need to make sure you only quote information you are absolutely certain of (or give alternatives as I did e.g. Elizabeth or Betty) as the GRO only issue a cert if everything matches.

My brickwall is a death certificate, The last real evidence of him is the
1881 census where he never told the truth of how old he was.
He was born before registration started but I do have a record of his birth.
He appears on the 1841 census I have his marriage certificate where once again his age was not a true one.

His wife was a widow in the 1891 census but their last child was born in
1889 I have the certificate but that does not prove the father was alive then.
I have looked for nine years for this death certificate but no luck.
thankyou Margaret

Do you want to post the details for a look up? You never know what a fresh pair of eyes might find.

Andy

Does the birth certificate of the last child definitely say who the father is. If he were deceased it would say so. Alternatively if the father isn't mention, as happened with one of my relatives, I found (eventually) the 'father' had died 5 years before the last child was born. -jl

this is the birth certificate I have
Albert Walter Poole born Jan 1889
Mother E mma Poole formally Ransom
Father William Poole
Living at Cuba Cottages Edmonton Middlesex
Also his baptism is on Ancestry as well
Margaret

Have you considered these deaths for your William?

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Jun 1887 (>99%)
Pooles William George 55 Edmonton 3a 147

Deaths Mar 1888 (>99%)
POOL William Brooks 55 Edmonton 3a 207

I have the certificate for William Brooks Poole an it is not the right one snd The
other one William George Pooles was a bit to early unless the last child born was not his child but do not beleive so also as Far as I know his names just William
I have orderes another one for a William Poole died in 1891 registered A. M.and June qtr. but at London C although I have ordered it I am not sure as she was a widow in the 1891 census
Thank you Margaret

Do you know what became of Emma?

If you know where she is buried, perhaps it is with William, so finding her might lead to his burial, which in turn might help with a death date.


Gwyn

What year was William born???

Is this your William and Emma,


1881 census - household transcription
Person: POOLE, William
Address: 15, Angel Road, Edmonton

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation
Disability Where Born Original
census
image

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POOLE, William Head Married M 44 1837 Labour
Haverhill
Suffolk
POOLE, Emma Wife Married F 31 1850
Haverhill
Suffolk
POOLE, Emma Daughter Single F 8 1873
Haverhill
Suffolk
POOLE, Kate Daughter Single F 6 1875
Haverhill
Suffolk

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RG number:
RG11 Piece:
1388 Folio:
34 Page:
4

Registration District:
Edmonton Sub District:
Edmonton Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Edmonton Municipal Borough:
Address:
15, Angel Road, Edmonton County:
Middlesex



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Hi, Yes that is the right people Emma his wife remarried to a
Thoams Williams and I do have her death and know where she was buried.
This is a puzzel surley his death was registered.
Margaret

nudge

Is it possible the couple spilt up, although I can't see William Poole post 1881

Margaret,

Have you got one of the daughters marriage certs to see wether it says deceased where the father's name will be.????


Deleted the marriage info as Margaret put on the marriage for Emma.

Jes I have both daughters marriage certificates and it says father
deceased on both. When I get the next certificate i have oredered if it is not the right I will call it a dafor ref: this the eldest daughters marriage


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Marriages Jun 1892 (>99%)
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BATTRUM William Thomas S Edmonton 3a 375

POOLE Emma Maria Edmonton 3a 375
This 1892 he was deceased then
Margaret

The marriage for Emma Poole to Joseph Walden, that Sue in Leeds found, is on Ancestry and doesn't appear to be the correct Emma.

Name: Emma Poole
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Spouse Name: Joseph Walden ...Labourer
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 13 May 1894
Parish: St Dionis, Parsons Green
County: London
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Father Name: Henry Poole ...Labourer
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Walden....Labourer

Chris

William deceased by 1892...

Name: Emma Maria Poole ...11 Cuba Cottages
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Spouse Name: William Thomas Spencer Battrum..Labourer...10 Edinburgh Road
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 10 Apr 1892
Parish: St James, Upper Edmonton
County: London
Borough: Enfield
Father Name: William Poole ...Deceased
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Knight Battrum ...Painter

Witnesses. Thomas Knight Battrum and Emily Battrum

Chris

Ignore my last two posts....I missed your last one saying you had both marriage certificates :-D