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Not in Devon they where all born Shropshire and yes Edwin had a Gertrude but she wasn't born 17th April

Thinking a long the lines that Cox might have been a second forename, as none of the others ahve a surname associated with them


I found this birth registration


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915

Name: Gertrude Cox Jeffery
Year of Registration: 1880
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Kingsbridge
County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 215 (click to see others on page)



does Jeffery mean anything?





sylvia

What happened to Edwin? Could Gertrude be his daughter?

Rose

1901 England Census
about William Cooper
Name: William Cooper
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Cooper
Mother's Name: Harriet Cooper
Gender: Male
Where born: Stoke, Shropshire, England

Civil parish: Hodnet
Ecclesiastical parish: Hodnet St Luke
Town: Espley and Kenstone Hopton
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Market Drayton
Sub-registration district: Market Drayton
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Cooper 48
Harriet Cooper 47
Joseph Cooper 23
Ellen Cooper 15
Alice Cooper 11
William Cooper 6
Charlie Cooper 1
Francis Cooper 77

They are all Coopers ecxept Gertie
She had a son Edwin when she was 17yrs old

So harriett had children before she married Thomas:

1881 Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Thomas COOPER Head M Male 27 Stoke, Shropshire, England Waggoner (Ag)
Joseph COOPER Son Male 3 Kingsley Pratton, England
Edwin COX Wife Son Male 9 Much Wenlock, Shropshire, England Scholar
Fanny COOPER Mother W Female 52 Wrockwardine, Shropshire, England Charwoman


Source Information:
Dwelling Shawbirch Lane
Census Place Eyton Upon Wild Moors, Shropshire, England
Family History Library Film 1341643
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2682 / 84
Page Number 14

Here's a big clue. From looking at the censuses, all the others are her children.

Rose

hi
these children who you have just sent did none of them have a last name in your diary
could cox be a middle name [girtie cox ....]

lorraine

Helen Cooper October 25 ? (Ellen)
Alice Rose Aug 1st ?
Charley May 6th ?
Clara 6 July 1879
Frances Harriet 27 Aug ?
Joseph Nov 19 ?
Mary Ann Aug 27 ?
Sarah Jane Aug 7 ?
William Thomas Nov 20 ?
Gertie Cox April 17 ?

This is how it was put down in diary

Can you list all the details for the brothers and sisters in the order they are written?

Rose

The list was all her brothers and sisters dates of births and Gertrude Cox 17th April makes me think did they re register her after they married in febuary 1877 as in Shropshire there is no Gertrude before 1877

What info. is on the pages surrounding the diary entry? Presumably, it's written in chronological order?

Rose

Thank you for the info and help will get certificates and see

There is this birth and death in the district that the couple married in, but the birth was pre their marriage in 1877.

It was in the right quarter, but she died pre census and I can't see anything on Family Search so you would need the cert to check if it could be her

I can't see a birth or death for a Gertude Cox in the area the family livied in

Births Jun 1876 (>99%)
COOPER Gertrude Emily Atcham 6a 731

Deaths Mar 1877 (>99%)
Cooper Gertrude Emily 0 Atcham 6a 500

1911 for the same family listed as having 10 children and one had died. As you say the child would have had the surname Cooper not Cox

COOPER, Thomas Head Married M 57 1854 Wagonar On Farm Childs Ercall Salop VIEW
COOPER, Harriet Wife Married
34 years F 57 1854 Barrow Salop VIEW
COOPER, Helen Daughter Single F 25 1886 Shawbirch Salop VIEW
COOPER, William Thomas Son Single M 16 1895 Wagonor On Farm Stoak on Tern Salop VIEW
COOPER, Charles Son M 11 1900 School Stoak on Tern Salop VIEW
COOPER, Aurthes Grandson M 10 1901 School Stoak on Tern Salop VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
16261 Reference:
RG14PN16261 RG78PN1007 RD354 SD1 ED11 SN9

Registration District:
Market Drayton Sub District:
Market Drayton Enumeration District:
11 Parish:
Hodnet

Address:
Shrewsbury Road Hopton Hodnet Shropshire County:
Shropshire

Is this your Clara?

1891 England Census
about Clara Cooper
Name: Clara Cooper
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Cooper
Mother's Name: Harriet Cooper
Gender: Female
Where born: Wellington, Shropshire, England

Civil parish: Stoke Upon Tern
Ecclesiastical parish: Stoke upon Tern
Town: Stoke Upon Tern
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Market Drayton
Sub-registration district: Market Drayton
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Cooper 38
Harriet Cooper 37
Joseph Cooper 13
Clara Cooper 11
Frances K Cooper 9
Mary Ann Cooper 9
Sarah Cooper 7
Helen Cooper 5
Alice Cooper 1
Frances Cooper 62

My gran Clara died 1920 her mum Harriet was a Cox who married a Cooper and this was wrote in her diary

"She was born I think Shropshire before 1920 as it was information that is in my gran's diary and she died 1920"

Who died in 1920? Was it your gran?

Go to www.freebmd.org uk (A free site)

Click on SEARCH

Click BIRTHS

Enter COX in the SURNAME box

Enter GERTRUDE in the FIRST NAME box

Scroll down the COUNTIES box and click on SHROPSHIRE

Enter 1838 in the first DATE box

Enter 1920 in the second DATE box

Click FIND and see what comes up.

Mind you only knowing Gertrude's birthday and not the year in which she was born or precisely where she was born is going to make it difficult to decide which of the records, if any, is her birth registration.

Good luck.

My grandmother's maiden name was Cooper but her mum's maiden name was Cox she married in 1877 to Thomas Cooper she lived in Hodnet, Shropshire

1911 cencus said she lost 1 child could she have had a child just before marriage but put her on cencus as she was her husband's child

I think it was a birth date not a death date well I hope not and yes Cox is her maiden name and it is up to 1920