Genealogy Chat

Hi mgnv,
All I've got for Mary's mother is the name Elizabeth and presume she died between 1825 and ?? The next child seems to be Edward Ingress Bell aged 4 in 1841. I haven't found his birth record so do not know if he was Elizabeth or Ann's child. The fact that he was doing quite well for himself in later years while Ann appears to be struggling suggests she was not his mother, though there do not seem to be any other children between 1825 and 1836.
the ones I have found are Mary 1825, Edward Ingress 1836, Ellen1838, Emily 1845, Jane 1847, Florence 1856.
I just found Ann's maiden name today, Monk, and haven't yet found her mariage record.
Sue x

How about Elizabeth came from the big house near Eggleston, Durham had a child by an Edward Bell, Gardener. bit of Lady Chatterley there! If your Mary b 1825 Eggleston is the correct one then the couple were definitely married. The parish record records Elizabeth as wife which it certainly would not if the child had been illegitimate. Presumably Elizabeth died then Edward married Ann.

Just noticed Helmsley. One of the children of Edward and Ann was born in Helmsley.

Regards

Vera

hi mgnv,

All I have on Mary's mum is the name Elizabeth. I don't know where she came from as the family seems to move about.and I have searched for a marriage so far in vain.

I know Mary herself was Catholic, as she was married in a Catholic church in Coventry. I wondered if she was educated at a convent school. Maybe Ann was in Chipping Campden in 1851 to take the younger daughter, Ellen to school? I haven't pursued this idea yet. I would guess the Grammar School so close to Church Street was for boys only.

Sue x

Thats a good theory Vera. I think the owner of Eggleston Hall at the time was a Hutchinson, but she could have been a poor relation with another name.. I googled the hall and find it is the one used a few years ago in the tv series Laddette to Lady. Almost wish I'd watched it! Apparently the gardens were famous...
Sue x

Looks like Edward Jnr was at a boarding school in 1851:

1851 England Census
Civil parish: Greenwich
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: Greenwich East
ED, institution, or vessel: Greenwich Hospital Schools
Household schedule number: 1

etc
Edward Bell 13 Woolwich, Kent, England School Boy
William Taylor 13
William Hoskins 12
Robt Dundass 13
William E McGrath 13
Robert Jackson 13
David Guy 14
John R Warren 12
Charles Corney 11

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1587; Folio: 494; Page: 24; GSU roll: 174824.

Don't think its him, mgnv, in the 1851 he is living in Chelsea with his father, occupation civil engineer. I googled Edward Ingress Bell and one bio says he was apprenticed to his father.

I found the Gretna marriage records today on Ancestry and there is a Edwd Bell of Brampton, Cumberland England who married an Elizth Morrison of Hoddam, Dumfries Scotland in July 1824. This would be about right for Mary being born in 1825, and would also corroborate the story of running away with the gardener - if it is the right couple and the story was confused by a generation!
sue x