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Darn,how disappointing!! I just don't see who else she could be,though.

They didn't make it easy for us....

Best,
Maureen

Thanks for letting us know that


Is it possible that they did not marry?




sylvia

Just to let you know that I sent for Charles's sister Edith Mayle's birth cert. It came stating 27 Oct 1886 the mother as Mary Ann Mayle formerly Wright the same as his.
Still no nearer finding his parents marriage cert.

Susanne

nudge out of interest

please, do get back to us!!


go to bed early tonight, Maureen!!!!




sylvia

My gosh-such wonderful ages !!!!!

Do get back to us with the results of the certs,Susanne. Those will be interesting.

Best from a sleep-deprived,
Maureen

Gosh everybody - while I have been asleep in Uk you have all been very busy.

You have the correct children in 1901

I'm going to buy some certs and get back to you I have in the meantime found a death for Mary L E Mayle 1962 Camberwell, London aged 94 and Arthur 1961 Camberwell, London, England age 94. Both correspond to the YOB's

Thank you so very much. I will get back to you - promice.

Susanne

and I'm off to bed right now!


my eyes are giving up as well.


it's not far off midnight here.


s
xxx

My eyes just gave up,Sylvia!
I've gotta take a break.

Love,
Maureen

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Samuel Wright
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Spouse Name: Ellen Elizabeth Pocock
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 30 Jan 1870
Parish: St George, Camberwell
County: Surrey
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: James Wright, Bricklayer
Spouse Father Name: Samuel Pocock, Painter


from image:-

both of Full Age

Spinster and Bachelor

Address:- New Church Road

Witnesses:- Benjamin Williams and Alfred Braddy




sylvia

Could this be them in 1881???????????


1881 Census

Name: Samuel Wright
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen Wright
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 2 Diamond St (Ginger Beer Dealers Shop)
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Laborer

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: St George

Samuel Wright 30
Ellen Wright 40 b.ca 1841, Lambeth, Surrey
Louisa M. Wright 13 b.ca 1868, Southwark, Surrey, Scholar
Samuel Wright 4 b.ca 1877, Lambeth
Mary A. Wright 3 b.ca 1878, Lambeth
Charles W. Wright 11 mths b.ca 1880, Lambeth





sylvia

WOW



I wondered if there would be a Pocock/Wright marriage!



I think Susanne needs to buy some certificates:-


the birth certificate for Mary Louisa Pocock

then the marriage for Ellen Elizabeth Pococl and Samuel Wright

then the certificate for Edith Mary



sylvia

Are we making this up???
Marriages Mar 1870
Pocock Ellen Elizabeth Camberwell 1d 655
Wright Samuel Camberwell 1d 655


Maureen

???????

birth registration for Mary Louisa Pocock??????


Births Jun 1868 (>99%)

POCOCK Mary Louisa E Newington 1d 230





I also note from trees on ancestry that Mayle may possibly be spelled MAILE




sylvia

Hi Maureen


no, I didn't look at the signatures yet ..... I decided my eyes were a little too tired for that!




sylvia

I really think it's the same Arthur,though!

DID you look those signatures ???

I agree that the occupation in further census didn't look "right",but heck-maybe he wasn't very good at it! Or Dad got a little ticked off because he (Arthur) married at such a young age to a very pregnant teen.

Maureen

Did you note that the Arthur Mayle who married Mary Louisa Pocock in 1886 says his occupation was Cabinet Maker, and his father was Thomas Mayle, Cabinet Maker. Address given as 39 Heber Road, East Dulwich.


much of that is hard to fit in with your Arthur! Except for the name of his father and his occupation


In 1871, Arthur is 3, father Thomas is a Cabinet maker

In 1881, Arthur E is a Scholar, father Thomas is Cabinet Maker

In 1891, Arthur is a General Labourer

In 1901, Arthur is a Painter and Paperhanger



Now ................. to be a Cabinet Maker requires an apprenticeship of about 7 years. There was not enough time between 1881 when Arthur was at school and 1886 when he married to finish his apprenticeship ....... and it would be wrong to call himself Cabinet Maker when he had not finished the apprenticeship. There are very tight rules and regulations around apprenticeships.


Did he lie in 1886?


It is also rather strange that a Cabinet Maker then becomes a generla Labourer, although it is not that strange that a General Labourer became a Painter and Paper Hanger.




In short .................... I think you may well have TWO Arthur Mayles




sylvia

I just want this for easy reference!

from the 1901 Census

Name Age

Arthur Mayle 38
Mary A Mayle 31
Edith Mayle 11
Arthur Mayle 12
Charles Mayle 10
Grace Mayle 3





so the baptisms that Ann posted for Robert Elictor and Mary Ethel, with parents Arthur and Mary Ann .... and that I also found on the new beta.familysearch site ............... must be from the previous generation, and NOT of course your Arthur and Mary Ann!




sylvia

For the children Arthur, Lilian Maud, Grace Maud and Edward/Edwin Horace the mother is listed at Mary Ann in the London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906.

Rose

?????

Alice M Mayle

England and Wales Census, 1901
birth: 1875 — Camberwell
residence: Camberwell, London, Middlesex, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1901
name: Alice M Mayle
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Female
age: 26
relationship to head of household: Lodger
birthplace: Camberwell
record type: Household
registration district: Camberwell
sub-district: Camberwell
ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas Dulwich
civil parish: Camberwell
county: Camberwell, Camberwell, Camberwell, London, Middlesex