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hi please help have my great grans death cert and where it says full name including surname it says florence may noble? maiden name smith underneath it says widow of harry instone?????? so what is the noble?? any ideas, please could it be she was married before and never took on her second marrige name?? she was born 20/04/1896 and died 14/05/1984 please any ideas x

My first thought was, could her name have been Florence May Smith before she married a Harry Instone Noble, but I can't see a birth for a Harry Instone Noble.

Have you any idea roughly when she might have married or the names of children that you could work backwards from? Going by the dates, it seems like her death was registered as Florence May Noble. If the informant on the death certificate is a family member, it might give you a hint.

yes it was my grandad her son in law who registered her death, her daughter was emily may taylor(maidon name inston) born 17/10/1915 emilys birth cert spells inston on florences death cert they have said widow oh harry instone (spelt differently)

All her children were born as Inston.

Marriages Jun 1914
Inston Henry Smith Birmingham 6d 509
Smith Florrance M Inston Birmingham 6d 509

Rose

Hi rose you have found a son?????? Henry how do i find it for myself Thankyou so much

would this be her hubby
1911 census
INSTON, Ellen Head Widow F 45 1866 Pen Worker Warwickshire Bham VIEW
INSTON, Henry Son Single M 18 1893 Burnisher Warwickshire Bham VIEW
INSTON, Thomas Son Single M 15 1896 Jeweller Warwickshire Bham VIEW
GUBBINS, Rachel Aunt Widow F 74 1837 Dudley Staffordshire VIEW
ROGERS, Albert Charles Boarder Widower M 34 1877 Brass Dresser Wolverhamton Staffs VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
18078 Reference:
RG14PN18078 RG78PN1097 RD384 SD3 ED18 SN129

Registration District:
Birmingham Sub District:
St George Enumeration District:
18 Parish:
Birmingham

Address:
58 Lennox St Birmingham County:
Warwickshire

Leila
Rose has posted the marriage of Florence and Henry not a birth for a Henry.

Wonder whether her mums maiden name was Noble and the informant misunderstood when asked for maiden names

Harry I Noble

England and Wales Census, 1901
birth: 1877 — Southampton
residence: Southampton All Saints, Hampshire, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1901
name: Harry I Noble
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Male
age: 24
relationship to head of household: Son
birthplace: Southampton
record type: Household
registration district: Southampton
sub-district: Southampton
ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
civil parish: Southampton All Saints
county: Southampton, Southampton, Southampton All Saints, Hampshire

Florence May Noble

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
residence: Barrow, Lancashire, England
parents: Thomas Noble, Isabella

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Florence May Noble
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 14 Aug 1890
baptism/christening place: Bible Christian Church, Barrow, Lancashire, England
father's name: Thomas Noble
mother's name: Isabella
indexing project (batch) number: I03949-6
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1657403

Florence May Noble

England and Wales Census, 1901
birth: 1891 — Royston, Yorkshire
residence: Leeds, Yorkshire (West Riding), England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1901
name: Florence May Noble
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
age: 10
relationship to head of household: Daughter
birthplace: Royston, Yorkshire
record type: Household
registration district: Leeds
sub-district: West Leeds
ecclesiastical parish: St Marks
civil parish: Leeds
county: Leeds, West Leeds, Leeds, Yorkshire (West Riding)

Leila,

Go to FreeBMD

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

Select births, put in Inston for the Surname and then Smith for Spouse/Mother surname.

There were 8 children. The first one died.

There's a son Thomas H Inston. Is this the son Henry you are looking for?

Rose

Only Emily, Thomas and Ronald made it past their 1st birthdays. That's a lot of children to lose.

Rose

when did Harry/Henry Instone die?


I'm wondering if she married somebody Noble after Harry died ........ and the son-in-law wanted the Instone name on the death certificate.



sylvia

The last Instone / Smith child was registered in December quarter 1930

There is a Henry Inston died in 1925 in Brimingham

Deaths Dec 1925 (>99%)

Inston Henry 33 Birmingham N. 6d 373



so did Florence take up with a Mr Noble after Henry / Harry's death?



sylvia

Thankyou ladies i'm waiting on more certificates to come through i'm getting hooked xxx

Hi there everyone i'm so sorry but Rose found out that my great nan had 8 kids and only 3 survived how do you find out that info???? how did you find the five that died and their age ???? so confused


Thankyou

Leila

Rose found out that information by looking on the 1911 Census ................ people filled that one out by themselves, and they had to put how many children had been born alive, and how many of those had died.

They then had to name all children who were still living at home .. from what Rose posted, that was Emily, Thomas and Ronald


To find out the information for the 5 who died you will have to look at www.freebmd.org.uk, a free site, and see if you can identify possible children born in the correct area, then look at deaths and see if you can identify ones born who died within, say, 10 years.


Mother's maiden name is shown for all births registered after mid-1911


so you enter Instone in Father's surname, gran's surname in mother's surname, years Mar 1911 to Dec 1935 (to get a good overlap of years), and county (from drop down list to the right)




EDIT:-


Rose actually found the 8 births by doing what I did, entering the names in freebmd birth search, then by comparing those births against the deaths.



I got confused with my dates!!







sylvia

I'll give you one example to help you along


The first child was:-

Births Dec 1914 (>99%)

Inston Florence M Smith Birmingham 6d 529


I then clicked on Deaths and asked for deaths of Inston between 1912 and 1935



Deaths Dec 1914 (>99%)

Inston Florence _ 0 Birmingham 6d 365




Looks to be the same child



To see any more information than that, you have to buy the certificate from www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Each one will cost £9.25




sylvia