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Hello everyone.

I have just found out that I have been searching the wrong family tree. Over ten years of searching etc for absolutely nothing. So now I am onto the correct one.

Emily Alexandra Samuel gave birth to Constance Grace Samuel 1904. No father on the birth cert. Emily married Henry Boreham 1916 and supposedly adopted my Grandmother Constance Grace. Where would I find anything of the adoption please?
Emily’s father, Henry Samuel was born in Holland but was a British subject, and a Stockbroker in London.
Where would I find information on people being Naturalized from Holland please? And is it online?

Henry was also a private in the 14th South Wales Borderers. Would there be somewhere I can find info on this as well.

Thanking you so much

Vanessa

I'm not sure adoption was a legal process at that time, the child took the new husbands name ?

I have seen some details about naturalisation and army records on National Archives

It helps if you give some details
1891 England Census about Henry Samuel
Name: Henry Samuel
Age: 54
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Ann Samuel
Gender: Male
Where born: Holland
Civil Parish: Lee
Ecclesiastical parish: Good Shepherd
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Lewisham
Sub-registration district: Lee

Adoptions did not become legal until some time in 1927

all adoptions before then were casual ............ members of the family, friends or stragners just taking over the care of the child.


Thus there will be no papers to find.


Check National Archives to see if you can find anything on there about naturalization


However ... I note that on the 1891 Census, the image says for Henry that his birth place was "Holland, British Subject"


this may actually mean that he was born in Holland of British parents .... in other words, he had no need to be naturalized.






sylvia

????????

This is rather strange ........... was Henry married before??


1881 Census

Name: Henry Samuel
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah Samuel
Gender: Male
Where born: (B S), The Netherlands

Civil Parish: Bishopwearmouth
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address: 47 Bramwell St
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Clerk

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: South Bishop Wearmouth

Henry Samuel 47
Sarah Samuel 40 b.ca 1841, Germany
Henry Samuel 20 b.ca 1861, The Netherlands, Drapers Assistant
Gertrude Samuel 13 b.ca 1868, Sunderland, Durham
Charles Samuel 8 b.ca 1873, Sunderland




I've been trying to find this other Henry and members of this fmaily in 1891, and cannot





sylvia

who is this Emily Alexandra????


Marriages Jun 1905 (>99%)

O'Connor Thomas W. Ham 4a 555
SAMUEL Emily Alexandra W. Ham 4a 555
WEARS Charlotte Elizabeth W. Ham 4a 555
YOUNG George W. Ham 4a 555


This is the marriage that you have for Henry Boreham


Marriages Sep 1916 (>99%)

Boreham Henry Samuel Islington 1b 566
Samuel Emily Boreham Islington 1b 566




sylvia

thank you for your help

I will get both certs and see what comes.

Any sign of them in 1911?

Is this correct one Emily Alexander Samuel born 28/6/1885 died 1969 in Chelmsford as Emily Alexander Boreham.

If the marriage in 1905 is correct, then maybe it got annuled for somereason,was she underage ?

Emily Samuel born 28/6/1885 christened 20/5/1904 in Westminster dad Henry and mum Mary Samuel.

Maryb

As Henry was Stockbroker what about a will?

Might give a lead as to the family relationships.

Chris

William George Samuel born 1882 Belgium married Alice tribe 24/4/1907 his dad was Henry a stockbroker deceased.
They went to Australia in 1930.

Maryb

Wow thank you .It looks as though I have finally got the right family.

I have just received Emily Alexandra's birth cert and her Dad is the Henry SAMUEL stockbroker/banker. I am waiting for the 1905 marriage for Emily Alexandria to come.
Henry SAMUEL's father was ISAAC SAMUEL and he was a Banker as well.
Thanks Mary for William's info. I was told that one of the family went to Australia and started up a Chicken farm. So this might have been William George SAMUEL.
Where would I find if Henry SAMUEL had a will??

thank you again

Vanessa

If he died before 1941 there may be one on Ancestry.co.uk

If you know when and where he died please post and i will have a look.

I have looked between 1891 -1901 no sign.

and 1901- 1911 no sign,although it says on William georges marriage that henry had died and that was 1907.

Can't find any of them in 1901.

Maryb.

Vanessa

As Mary nothing in Ancestry wills for 1891 - 1907 that fit this Henry.
Nothing for 1901.census Perhaps they went abroad as William was Born in Belgium.

For info.

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
about Emily Samuel Name: Emily Samuel
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 28 Jun 1885
Christening Date: 20 May 1904
Christening Place: Westminster, London, England
Age at Christening: 18
Father's Name: Henry Samuel
Mother's Name: Mary

Regards Vera

1911 46,Northampton Rd E C Holborn
Henry Boreham single born Holborn 1879 Wardrobe dealer
Emily Samuels 1886 Tottenham assistant widow 2 years completed marriage 1 child
Grace Samuels 1905 Marylebone.
3 rooms +shop.

Maryb

I think Emily Alexander Samuel married Thomas O'connor in 1905,there is a death for one 1907.

The other girl on marriage record was Charlotte Elizabeth Wears and man George Young.

1911 9,Meltford Road Plaistow west ham.
Charlotte e Young married 5 year charwoman
George t Wears son 1896
Joseph g Wears 1899

Albert G 1902
Florence e wears 1903.

Maryb.

fabulous Mary thank you so much

Your welcome.

Maryb.

I have received the two Cert. of Emily. Emiy and Emily Alexandra are both the same.
It says on the Cert when Emily and Thomas O'Connor married 1905 that Emily's father Henry, had died, and i cant find anything of his wife.
I have found with help William George in NSW who died 1952. Apart from Emily and William, the rest of the family has disappeared.

Vanessa

not sure if this is meant by a NUDGE.
anyway

Hello Everyone,

Isaac SAMUEL born c1813 wife unknown child was Henry b.c1836 and Henry married Mary Ann Barrett1879.
I have found that this family might be JEWISH. Isaac and Henry were both Banker's and also Stockbroker as apparently when Henry won some money he got such a fright he had a heart attack and died.
Henry had a child EDWARD DAVID who was apparently in the Airforce as a Sarg. and served in India.

can anyone help please

Edward David Samuel was born 1892

Births Mar 1892 (>99%)

Samuel Edward David Lewisham 1d 1152




sylvia

This fits for Henry's death

Deaths Sep 1897 (>99%)

Samuel Henry 56 Marylebone 1a 431



what happened to Mary Ann after Henry's death in 1897?


The children are spread all over the place on the 1901!



sylvia