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Excellent safc!

Regards Carol

hi carol
hers the site i got the info off it may help with more reseach

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start

regards safc

I have received the marriage certificate for the couple that safc suggested: William Tutberry and Hannah Blackburn. Unfortunately, I'm still unable to tell if it is definitely my William Tudbury/Tudberry and Hannah Blackburn. They are unable to sign their names - illiterate? and the witnesses are Henry and Margaret Dunn - don't know who they are. The 1852 date ties in with my couple and the names of father's are correct. The parish is not too far from Westoe where they started farming. William's profession is Husbandman on certificate. It doesn't state their ages 'of full age' and their residence is 'of this parish'.

The death certificate for William Tudberry is correct as he is a farmer in Westoe and the age is correct.

Thanks for all your help.
Carol

That looks very close. Blackburn for Blacknell. Hannah's father was George Blacknell (1800-1845).

Tutberry is close too. William's father was John Tudbury (Tudberry) or even Tutberry!!!

I have bookmarked it for perusal.

Many thanks Safc for your searches.
Regards Carol

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Groom's Name: William Tutberry
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Hannah Blackburn
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 1852
Marriage Place: Tynemouth, Christ Church, Northumberland, England
Groom's Father's Name: John Tutberry
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: George Blackburn
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M13566-1
System Origin: England-VR
Source Film Number: 1068931
Reference Number: 2:3G8K0QR
Collection: England Marriages, 1538–1973

Yes I will definitely let you know especially after your time spent searching records on my behalf.

Thank you for adding a Tutberry to the names.

Sorry for not replying sooner but floors needed mopping and a cup of tea was needed after the exertion.
Carol

If you do make sure you let us know the result!
Jan

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this could be worth thinking about

Marriages Sep 1852 (>99%)
xxxxxx BLACKBURN Hannah Tynemouth 10b 177
DOUTHWAITE Eleanor Catharine Tynemouth 10b 177
Douthwaite Eleanor Catharine Tynemouth 10b 177
DOUTHWAITE Eleanor Cathriane Tynemouth 10b 177
DRYDEN John Tynemouth 10b 177
xxxxx TUTBERRY William Tynemouth 10b 177

Many thanks Jan. I am sure it could fit part of my wider tree somewhere.

I also think I will splash out on a birth certificate and a couple of death certificates to see if it clarifies things a bit. At Christmas I may ask for small donations from family members who wish to view my tree and for the expense and time my sister and I have spent!! Just joking of course.
Carol

I suspect you won't solve this without a child's birth cert and that might be a bit much for a peripheral family member. Annoying though - you would think these names would make it easier!

I am going to post the 1911 for the couple overleaf as they must surely be related to you somehow - just another headache, sorry!!

TUDBURY, William Head Married M 37 1874 Carter General Hucknall Torkard VIEW
TUDBURY, Mary Jane Wife Married
15 years F 36 1875 Hucknall Torkard VIEW
BLACKNELL, Dola Son Single M 16 1895 Coal Miner Hucknall Torkard VIEW
TUDBURY, Martha Eliezebth Daughter F 14 1897 At Home Hucknall Torkard VIEW
TUDBURY, Edna Daughter F 10 1901 Hucknall Torkard VIEW
TUDBURY, John Son M 8 1903 Hucknall Torkard VIEW
TUDBURY, Joseph Albert Son M 4 1907 Hucknall Torkard VIEW
TUDBURY, Sarah Daughter F 1 1910 Hucknall Torkard VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
20443 Reference:
RG14PN20443 RG78PN1224 RD429 SD4 ED9 SN310

Registration District:
Basford Sub District:
Hucknall Torkard Enumeration District:
9 Parish:
Hucknall Torkard

Address:
23 Orchard St Hucknall Toryard Nottinghamshire County:
Nottinghamshire

I've trawled the marriages but haven't found anything. I am only filling in wider parts of my tree as I have managed to complete my direct ancestors on the Blacknell family as far back as Richard 1760-1823. I keep leaving it then returning when feel like a good delve.
They were illiterate, I believe, until my great-grandfather George Blacknell 1867-1926 had a little education so that is probably when the name mis-spellings arise as I assume they are speaking the names to the officials and are unable to correct mis-spellings.

Thanks for your help Jan.
Carol

I can see your reasoning, and it seems pretty sound, but for life of me can't see a marriage!
I see they were both single in 1851 which narrows it down a bit.
Jan

Yes many thanks I will save that.
Carol

No joy as yet. You must have seen this - might be worth hanging onto as possibly some family link though not your couple:

Marriages Mar 1896 (>99%)
Blacknell Mary Jane Basford 7b 265
Bradley Allin Basford 7b 265
Euehby Margaret Ann Basford 7b 265
Tudbury William Basford 7b 265

Sorry, he does give same birthplace, apologies.

I am getting very muddled now because of all the name changes. I am related to the Blacknell family who originally lived in Hucknall, Nottinghamshire. I have both a Hannah Blacknell on my tree and a George Blacknell is her brother. Sometimes the records show it as Blacknall or Blackwell to confuse matters. I think Hannah may have married a William Tudbury also of Hucknall, Nottinghamshire. Tudbury is sometimes spelt Tudberry to confuse me even further. My direct ancestor is Hannah and George's brother Joseph Blacknell1836-1874who also travelled to the north-east and died there.

The 1861 census states that George is brother-in-law to head of household which at the time is William Tudbury but Tudberry when he is dead. I am only sumising that Hannah is a Blacknell and that George is her brother although their birth year tally and Hucknall was a small place then

Another thing - George born in the wrong place to be Hannah's brother.
Jan

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Name: George Tudberry
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 07 Sep 1859
Baptism/Christening Place: St. Stephens, South Shields, Durham, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Tudberry
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Anna Tudberry
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00587-4
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1894184
Reference Number: yr 1857-1905 p 166
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

I am still a bit unclear - do you mean blank on Freebmd? MMN not shown till 1912. It will be on the actual cert.
Jan

Sorry for misunderstanding. The mother's name is blank on the birth records of all her children although I haven't sent for a copy of the birth certificate yet? Would it show on the certificate if it is not on the record which I have viewed?
Carol