Genealogy Chat

Hi all

After a two year search I have managed to find the marriage details of my 3x GGrandparents.
The problem now is I can't find the church....I have googled,, and been in touch with St James in Oldham..It's not them.
Another in Thornham wasn't built then..
Can anyone help..
The marriage is for Robert Whitehead and Christiana Lonsdale in August 1832.
Thanks
Diane

I've had a look on google. This is an old parish, Prestwich is now part of Manchester, and the church there is St Mary's. I've had a quick look at Lancs on line, but no luck yet. I'll just try again.

Hi..
Thanks for your help.
I got the info off the family search prototype..if you get what I mean.
I have googled everything ..even maps... lol.

Diane.

Have a look here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaw_and_Crompton

about 2/3 of the way down the page

Hi...
Thanks for your help but it says the church was established in 1847... They married in 1832....So I dont suppose it would be there.

I haven't yet found one in the parish that did, as of yet...

Diane

I can't find that marriage in Lancs on line, and both Oldham and Prestwich are covered.

A church probably existed at Prestwich from the 12th century, and the present church dates from about 1450.
The parish of Prestwich cum Oldham originally covered the townships of Prestwich, Great Heaton, Little Heaton, Tonge with Alkrington, Pilkington (which included the hamlets of Whitefield, Outwood and Unsworth), Oldham, Chadderton, Crompton and Royton, and until the middle of the 17th century the Oldham area contributed towards bread and wine for St. Mary's, even though a chapel, also dedicated to St. Mary, existed at Oldham from the middle of the 15th century. (See L160/1/14).
The next chapel in the parish to be built was at Shaw before 1515, followed by St. Saviour's, Ringley in 1626, St. George's, Unsworth, consecrated in 1730, St. Paul's, Royton, consecrated in 1757, St. Peter's, Oldham, 1768, St. Margaret's, Hollinwood, 1769, All Saints, Stand, 1826, and St. James, Oldham in 1829.
The Parochial Chapel of Oldham (St. Mary's), St. Peter's, Oldham, St. James's, Oldham, St. Margaret's, Hollinwood, St. Paul's, Royton, and Holy Trinity, Shaw, were assigned Districts, from the parish of Prestwich cum Oldham by Order in Council 4 March 1835, (London Gazette, 5 May 1835).

Prestwich was part of Manchester but is now under control of Bury council.My fathers birth was registered in Prestwich in 1919 although he lived nearer to Manchester town centre so the boundaries have change a lot over the years suggest try Manchester council for location of St.James hope this helps

This is in an Oldham article:

The district church dedicated to St. James was built in 1829, by the parliamentary commissioners, at an expense of £8905, and is a neat edifice in the later English style, with a tower and campanile turret: the living is a perpetual curacy; net income, £150; also in the gift of the Rector.

Prestwich cum Oldham was split into 41 parishes one of which was 1829 Oldham St James .website (sjameschurcholdham.info )will tell you more

St mary's Oldham is on line in lan-opc - but not for the year you want. It may be worth contacting Lancs Record office as the records are held there.

There is also an RC church of St Mary in Oldham - records also at LRO

Hi.
Thanks all..

The Marraige isn't on the Lancashire opc site. I found it on igi .

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#marriagePlaceLoc1=Rochdale%2C%20England%2C%20United%20Kingdom&marriageYear=1832&searchType=partial&surname=lonsdale&p=recordResults&givenName=christiana&marriagePlaceId=1930716.

Hopefully that link works..

I found them living in Rochdale in the 1841 cencus, though Christiana is from Colne..

Diane

found the records on family search pilot that you had

still think best bet is to contact LRO (see post above) especially as you have the exact date.

Hi

Again..Thanks everyone..

I have been in contact with St James Oldham and they told me they didn't start officiating marriages until 1837 so it wasn't there..

I'll try Manchester records...

Diane

that pilot search result also says St Mary's Oldham - if there was actually 2 marriages (one supposedly ST James in xxxx) and the other St Mary's it could perhaps indicate an RC marriage (see above)

Lancashire Ann

I have no info on Robert apart from 2 possible baptisms at St chads Rochdale 1811.

I have a baptism for Christiana at St bartholomews c of e at Colne 1811

I have never found a baptism for any of their children or marriage come to that. Though they buried a child at st chads Rochdale.
Should I be looking at R.C churches?
Diane

As St Chad's is CofE more likely to be that. Records fro St Mary's Oldham for 1832 are in the LRO. Unfortunately I will not be going there for a couple of weeks otherwise I would have a look for you.

The staff would usually do a quick look for you as you know the date if you email or phone them.

If you want me to look anything up later please pm me with the details and I will see what I can do.

Thanks everyone especially Anne...I will email LRO

Diane

I also have relatives who married at St Mary's Prestwich in 1835

St Mary's Prestwich was the Parish Church for a large area that included Oldham.

In time, the parish got too large, and St Mary's was built in Oldham, and was the Parish Church for Oldham


Many people however still felt that St Mary's Prestwich was THE Parish Church .... and would walk to Prestwich to get married or have their child baptized.

Unfortunately, you will probably find that the record from that time will tell you very little.

The one I have for my great great grandfather just has his name, the bride's name, and the name of two witnesses.

Unfortunately, the witnesses were "professional" witnesses, paid a small amount to do so ...... their names appeared on 3 out of 4 marriage records on the same page.

This record was obtained by a contact who shared the same gt gt grandfather

........ she joined the Lancashire Family History Society and then put a message on their online forum, and some one came up trumps for us!


It seems that the records have not yet been filmed or digitized for that period of time, either for St Mary's Oldham or St Mary's Prestwich.


Good luck



sylvia

The original poster is looking for a church called St James. There isn't one in Prestwich, the church there is St Mary's.
Nor can I find a St James in Oldham - correction I've found it now!