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Can someone have a look at this for me - it isn't making much sense!

My g.g.grandmother, born Mary Ann Lott, married her stepbrother, George Cole on 3rd October 1842. She was a widow at the time, Mary Ann Faulkner.

I have found the first marriage on FreeBMD,
Mary Ann Lott/George Faulkner, June quarter 1841 Reading
Then I looked for his death, and the only one that looks probable is also Reading, March quarter 1841!

I have had to let my Ancestry membership lapse, unfortunately, so can't check on there. I shall probably have to send for the certificates, I know, but wanted to make sure I had the right people first!

Am I missing something?

Does seem strange....
was George known by/have a mddle name?

Have you got him on the 1841 census? it may reveal a middle name.


Nicky

welll the 1841 census doesnt give relationship so wonder if this is them
Name: George Faulkner
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Gender: Male
Where born: Berkshire, England

Civil parish: St Mary
Hundred: Reading Borough
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England

Street Address:Bedford Street

Occupation carpenter

Registration district: Reading
Sub-registration district: St Mary
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Faulkner 25
Mary A Faulkner 15

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 36; Book: 12; Civil Parish: St Mary; County: Berkshire; Enumeration District: 12; Folio: 12; Page: 18; Line: 10; GSU roll: 241207.
if so would indicate they married before April 1841

Theres this on the IGI, so they married after cencus of 1841.



MARY ANN LOTT Pedigree
Female Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: GEORGE FAULKNER Family
Marriage:
24 MAY 1841 Saint Mary, Reading, Berkshire, England

Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.


Richard

The 1841 census was taken on the night of 6th/7th June, so if this is your George he was obviously alive then, which should rule out the George Faulkner death in the JFM quarter...


These are the only George faulkner deaths between June qtr.1841 and Dec 1842 when Mary Ann re married.....

Deaths Sep 1841 (>99%)
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FAULKNER George Hull 22 221

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Deaths Mar 1842 (>99%)
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FAULKNER George Nantwich 19 147
FAULKNER George Brixworth 15 180

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Deaths Dec 1842 (99%)
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FAULKNER George Marylebone 1 127





something dosn`t add up here...


nicky

That ties with the GRO ref of June quarter .
You may have to get the marriage cert to double check its the same girl that married George Cole

I wasnt sure, and couldnt see, when the 1841 census was taken .So George must have been alive then and that death found cant be him

Wonder about this one???

Epsom not too far from Reading..

Deaths Mar 1842 (>99%)
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FAULCONER George Epsom 4 97

Nicky

Hi

Sorry for the delay - I lost internet connection, we've had thunderstorms!

Yes that does look like them, but FreeBMD says the marriage was June 1841. I wasn't sure if June quarter meant the quarter up to June or the quarter after it? In any case, was his death prior to this? I can understand the event being registered late, but surely not before it happens!

I have the marriage certificate for the Mary Ann Faulkner/George Cole marriage. She is shown as the daughter of Thomas Ewell Lott - age - Full

A marriage is registered in the qtr it took place...unlike births that can be registered up to 6 weeks after the event, so the freeBMD entry matches the IGI entry Richard gave you of the marriage taking place on 24th May.......2 weeks before the 1841 census was taken,


Nicky

Sorry, Nickydown south - I'm having all sorts of problems today - I suppose he could have been the Epsom death, although there don't seem to have been any other connections with that area.

By 1841, Thomas Ewell Lott had married George Cole' s mother, Dinah and they lived in Devizes. At the time of the Mary Ann/ George marriage, they were both living in Reading and continued to do so afterwards, although the marriage actually took place in Newington, London (Surrey).

GRO quarters only mean the quarter they were entered up in to GROindexes,the event may have taken place just before,

a marriage on the last day of March will go in the next quarter of.

A/M/June.it depended when the local register returns were sent in,

Well, he could have died anywhere really ...

What was his occupation? Maybe he travelled as part of his job. Maybe he was away looking for work and met with an accident?

Jill

Thanks Kay, that clears up the quarters question for me. Mrs Grumpy, the 1841 shows him as a carpenter, so that's quite true, he could have been away from home.

I feel a bit reluctant to send for too many certs for George Faulkner, as he wasn't my ancestor - I was really trying to fill in Mary Ann's background - I have found very little about her or who her mother was, but I think I'll have to bite the bullet - this will nag at me now!

Is this mary in 1861???

Name: Mary A Case
[Mary A Cole]
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: George J
Gender: Female
Where born: Reading, Berkshire, England

Civil parish: Reading St Giles
Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles
Town: Reading
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Reading
Sub-registration district: St Giles
ED, institution, or vessel: 4e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
George J Case 36 devizes
Mary A Case 37
Fred G Case 18
Emily Case 5
Julia Case 3
Ellen Case 1
Maria J Faulkner 18>>>daughter in law

MARIA SUSANNAH FAULKNER Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
14 SEP 1842 Saint Mary, Reading, Berkshire, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: GEORGE FAULKNER Family
Mother: MARY ANN

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

richard

if above is correct then this is odd.


MARY JANE ANN FAULKNER Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
20 OCT 1843 Saint Mary, Reading, Berkshire, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: GEORGE FAULKNER Family
Mother: MARY ANN

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


richard

Artbeat, is Case a mistranscription? I've just looked at the 1861, but it's at the bottom of the page and there's only Frederick G below George and Mary Ann - can't look at the next page on here, so not sure if I'm looking at the right one. - is ot 13 Crown St Reading? If its showing Mary Faulkner daughter-in-law, this must surely mean step-daughter?

If that is the correct family then i am becoming confused with the marriage date.

1851

Name: Mary A Faulkner
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Reading

Civil parish: Reading St Mary
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Reading
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 1m
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 87
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary A Faulkner 29
Maria S Faulkner 8
George J Cole 27 devizes


richard

I'm getting more confused by the minute! If Mary Jane Ann Faulkner was born in Oct 1843, this is a full year after her marriage to George Cole! The marriage cert for that, by the way, is on BMDshare.com.

That's defintely the right people in 1851 - George Cole was born in Devizes in 1825. The age of 8 for Mary Ann Jnr ties up with a birth date of 1843, but her mother definitely married George Cole in 1842!