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Am trying to find whether my ancestor emigrated and if so where, so would appreciate either a passenger look up or worldwide census please if that's at all possible.?

I have them in 1891 through to 1911 but can't find them anywhere in the Uk in 1881.

They are;
John E head Engineer / Engine Fitter b 1849 Tipton Staffordshire
Isabella Baker wife b 1849 Tipton
John E Baker son b 1872 Tipton
David Baker son b 1873 Tipton
Walter Baker son b 1876 West Bromwich

The next child was born in 1885 back in Staffordshire, England. John's brother emigrated in 1881 to USA, so it's just possible that John went their prior to 1881.

Much appreciate any help anyone can give me, it is much appreciated.

Thanks, Lou

nudge;

You cannot find your family in a census.
A/ They have been mistranscribed.
B/ Their entry has been lost/mislaid.
C/ They never filled out the form.
D/ They were out of the country.
Cannot find on Ancestry records but it is a very common name.

Hi Sat Nav,

I did think they were out of the country, but can't believe they wouldn't fill in the forms, but I suppse we'll never know.

Thanks, Lou

Hi Looby Loo I have looked in overseas etch worldwide and I cannot find, what was the name of the brother so maybe I can trace him? Sheila

Hi Sheila,

Thanks very much. The brother was Cornelius Baker - this is the info I have on him emigrating. I have his emigration paper's, but it doesn't give me the name of his ship.

But this is the info that was sent to me>

New York Passanger Lists 1880 Microfilm serial: M237; Microfilm roll: M237_428; Line: 40; List number: 8. I
Cornelius E Baker's Passenger Emigration List

This is his wife (Cornelius's) lydia on the passenger lists with their children

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Lydia Baker
Name: Lydia Baker
Arrival Date: 2 Dec 1881
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Age: 30
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination: United States of America
Place of Origin: England
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Ship Name: Arizona
Search Ship Database: View the Arizona in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York
Line: 42
Microfilm Serial: M237
Microfilm Roll: M237_445
List Number: 1667
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
travelling with
sarah aged 9
arthur aged 7
polly aged 5
harriett infant
son arthur

Thanks again Sheila

Regards, Lou

Is this Cornelius?

Name: Mr. C Baker
Arrival Date: 28 Jun 1880
Birth Year: abt 1850
Age: 30
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Place of Origin: England
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Egypt
Search Ship Database: Search the Egypt in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

I have found Cornelius, Bessie and Edward on the 1900 U.S.A census in Pennsyvannia but no Lydia, going out but will look later. Sheila

Hi Cathy, Yes I think that could be him. Thanks very much, I don't suppose you could send me the image if I pm you my email addy?

Thanks again,

Regards, Lou

Update. Definately him, just found my notes's says he emigrated June 1880, I remembered it as 1881 for some reason, but I didn't know the actual date,

So Once again Thanks very much.

Hi Sheila,

Yes that's him with son and daughter. I also haven't been able to find Lydia on any census or even her death, so any help would be much appreciated.

Did you have any luck in finding his brother?

Regards, Lou

1881 census taken 3 April

Name: Lydia Baker
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Cornelius E.
Gender: Female
Where born: Llantarnam

Civil parish: Llanvihangel Llantarnam
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: 3 Star Row
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education: View image
Employment status: View image

Registration district: Newport
Sub-registration district: St Woollos
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Cornelius E. Baker 30 b. South Staffordshire
Lydia Baker 31
Sarah Baker 11
Auther Baker 9
Mary A. Baker 7
Harriett Baker 8 Months b. Burgess Hill Sussex

Is this the correct family in the Wales Census as I think I have found the family in 1910 census well Edward with Edith with a son called Archibold and then in 1920 with Archibold and George and then in 1930 with Edward and Mary as well as Archibald and George . Am I on the right track, cannot find John and Isabella on any census UK or America. Sheila

Sent you a PM with my email address Lou.....

Kind regards

Cathy

Another reason may be that they were staying in another household on the night of the census so would be recorded in that head of households particulars and their relationship to him/her - eg I found an ancestor and allher children staying with her Mother and Father on the night of th e census and listed as 'daughter' and grandchildren respectively. I only found her because I knew the name of her brother who was lodging with them at another point in time and looked up his family census details. I also found a 'lost in the census' uncle who happened to be staying at a public house on the night of the census due to very bad weather - luckily it was owned by a relative of his - and I found him through tracing other family members. Good luck.

Hi Sheila,
Yes that's his brother in Wales, he was the only one in the family that lived in Wales, they did not originate from there.

I think you are on the right track, as the brother cornlius did have a son named Edward. So any info you have would be fantastic. Is it possible for you to find Edward's marriage etc?

I noticed you said you found Edward and Edith with son Archibald, then another son George, at a later date Edward with a Mary and Archibald and George. Was this an error and did you mean Edith otherwise she may have died and he remarried!

I will pm you.

Thanks for looking for John and Isabella, I suppose its just one of lifes mysteries or mistranscribed / couldn't be bothered to fill in forms or lost. But never mind thanks anyway.

Thanks again Sheila your help is very much appreciated.

Regards, Lou

I've sent you the image Lou but i think it looks more A rather than C?

I can email you the image of 1920 and 1930 census but then ancestry will have your email address will that be ok their does not seem to be Pennyslvania marraiges on ancestry. Sheila