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Anyone got access to ancestry London marriages willing to look at brides fathers surname please. 2 marriages

1 William Hoad & Elizabeth Hurring Jan 30th 1853

2Charles Jupp & Elizabeth Hoad Aug 19th 1867.

Elizabeth had 3 husbands who all died in a short period of time. !!Trying to find her maiden name to see if there was a 4th..
Thank you

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: William Hoad
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Hurring (widow)
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 30 Jan 1853
Parish: St Matthew, Essex Road
County: Middlesex
Borough: Islington
Father Name: Richard Hoad
Spouse Father Name: Francis Scuffham - occupation: Smith



Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Matthew, Essex Road, Register of marriages, P83/MTW, Item 010

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Elizabeth Hoad - Widow
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Spouse Name: Charles Jupp
Spouse Age: 39
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 19 Aug 1867
Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
County: London
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Francis Cuffsham
Spouse Father Name: Charles Jupp



Source Citation: Guildhall, St Leonard Shoreditch, Register of marriages, Nov 1866 - May 1868, P91/LEN/A/01/Ms 7498/78

Thank you choccy... That is what I thought ,,,.... Trouble is these 2 are her "2nd" 7 & 3rd" marriages... The 1st was to James Hurring in Sep Q 1847 Maiden name BUTTLE Not Scuffham so am wondering if she had a marriage previous to that but unable to find on either FreeBMD , Family search or Ancestry.... any thoughts? please

Just seen your 2nd one Choccy... Will try that one Thanks.

The only one I can see is Buttle and nothing before that.


Have you found her father on any census ?

No ..... Not looked yet ... was hoping to find the surname 1st..

1st marr..... 1 year.......
2ndnd... 12 years..
3rd. 11 years..

All died !!!!!!!

going to try working backwards !


1871 -

JUPP, Charles Head M 32 1839 Surrey VIEW
JUPP, Elizabeth Wife F 42 1829 Norfolk VIEW
HOAD, William Step-Son M 12 1859 Middlesex VIEW
HOAD, Elizabeth Step-Daughter F 10 1861 Middlesex VIEW
JUPP, Walter Son M 4 1867 Surrey VIEW

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RG number:
RG10 Piece:
837 Folio:
85 Page:
23

Registration District:
Godstone Sub District:
Godstone Enumeration District:
11 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Limpsfield Municipal Borough:
Address:
Moor House Cottages, Limpsfield County:
Surrey

Yes that is her.....
interesting the age difference varies on her M. certs

1861 -

HOAD, Wm Head Married M 36 1825 Gardener
Limpsfield
Surrey VIEW
HOAD, Elizth Wife Married F 35 1826
Diss
Norfolk VIEW
HOAD, Ellen Daughter F 12 1849 Scholar
Islington
Middlesex VIEW
HOAD, Emma Daughter F 7 1854 Scholar
Islington
Middlesex VIEW
HOAD, Mary Daughter F 4 1857 Scholar
Islington
Middlesex VIEW
HOAD, William Son M 2 1859
Islington
Middlesex VIEW
HOAD, Elizabeth Daughter F 0 (4M) 1861
Islington
Middlesex VIEW
BLOYD, William Cousin Unmarried M 21 1840 Gardener
Diss
Norfolk VIEW

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RG number:
RG09 Piece:
143 Folio:
106 Page:
36

Registration District:
Islington Sub District:
2 Islington East Enumeration District:
26 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Stephens

Civil Parish:
Islington Municipal Borough:
Address:
7, Northampton Street, Islington County:
London, Middlesex

Am unable to find her in either 1841 under Buttle or 1851 under Hurring.

1851 -

SCOTT, Benjamin Head Married M 36 1815 Chief Clerk Chamber Of London
Islington
Middlesex VIEW
SCOTT, Kate Wife Married F 36 1815 Wife Of Chief Clerk Chamber Of London
London
Middlesex VIEW
SCOTT, Benjamin John Son M 7 1844 Scholar
Stoke Newington
Middlesex VIEW
SCOTT, Louisa Kate Daughter F 3 1848
Stoke Newington
Middlesex VIEW
CLARK, Mary Servant Unmarried F 28 1823 Housemaid
Barking
Essex VIEW
*****HARRING, Elizabeth Servant Widow F 25 1826 Cook
Diss
Norfolk VIEW
CHALCROFT, Mary Servant Widow F 34 1817 Nurse
Horsell
Surrey VIEW

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
1503 Folio:
82 Page:
20

Registration District:
Hackney Sub District:
Stoke Newington Enumeration District:
4 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Saint Mary Stoke Newington Municipal Borough:
Finsbury Address:
4, Sydney Place, Saint Mary Stoke Newington, Finsbury County:
Middlesex

Clever you Choccy...... She had a daughter Ellen Hurring born 1848....not with her so could be a clu to father maybe!

I'm not coming up with anything that helps at the moment.

Your best bet would be to get one of the marriage certificates which 'should' give her birth surname.

Thank you Choccy..... will do that.

Thanks for your help

is this a connection do you think ?

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Francis Scuffham
Spouse Name: Frances Buttell ******* (Buttle) ?
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 16 Aug 1831
Parish: St Andrew Holborn
County: London
Borough: City of London



Source Citation: Guildhall, St Andrew Holborn, Register of marriages, 1827 - 1832, P69/AND2/A/01/Ms 6672/6

Pallot's Marriage Index for England: 1780 - 1837
Name: Francis Scuffham
Spouse: Francis Buttell
Marriage Date: 1831
Parish: Holborn St Andrew



Source Information:

Ancestry.com. Pallot's Marriage Index for England: 1780 - 1837 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2001.

1841 -

Guess what Francis' occupation is - Coachsmith (as on Elizabeth's marriage certificate)

There doesn't seem to be a wife, but there are two children with him.

WIGGENS, Samuel M 60 1781 Middlesex VIEW
WIGGENS, Mary F 60 1781 Middlesex VIEW
PAYNE, Henry M 30 1811 Middlesex VIEW
PAYNE, Elizabeth F 25 1816 Middlesex VIEW
KIDLEY, John M 40 1801 Middlesex VIEW
KIDLEY, Catherine F 40 1801 Middlesex VIEW
*****SCUFFHAM, Frances F 75 1766 Middlesex VIEW
*****SCUFFHAM, Robert M 9 1832 Middlesex VIEW
*****SCUFFHAM, Francis M 6 1835 Middlesex VIEW

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
665 Book/Folio:
13/14 Page:
25

Registration District:
Islington Sub District:
Islington, West Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
St Mary Islington Municipal Borough:
Finsbury Address:
Hope Street, St Mary Islington, Finsbury County:
Middlesex

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Robert Henry Scuffham
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 27 May 1832
Father's Name: Francis Scuffham - occupation Coachsmith
Mother's Name: Frances Scuffham
Parish: St Andrew Holborn
Borough: City of London
County: London



London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Frances Richard Scuffhen
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 20 Mar 1836
Father's Name: Francis Scuffhen - occupation Coachsmith
Mother's Name: Frances Scuffhen
Parish: St Andrew Holborn
Borough: City of London
County: London


and another -

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Sarah Ann Seuffham
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 9 Mar 1834
Father's Name: Francis Seuffham
Mother's Name: Frances Seuffham
Parish: St Andrew Holborn
Borough: City of London
County: London

Just going to have a look at this... You are clever .... be back shortly..... not as fast as you.