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I need to get a marriage certificate for a couple married in 1839. The district is King's Norton although they lived in Birmingham. Has anybody any ideas of churches near the inner city area of birmingham that would have been classed King's Norton - I have just seen Certificate from Birmingham are going up to £9 on 6 April so would prefer to find parish records. The marriage is not on the IGI

Andrea, Kings Norton covered a huge area back then, including large parts of what is now Birmingham. Birmingham was a separate place, even in a different county so the two do not mix!!
You need the marriage cert really - if you hurry you can get it before the rise.
Jan

Hi Jan

Do you know if Birmingham boarder was right next door to the boarder of Kings Norton?

Andrea

If you order it before 4pm Friday, you *ought* only to be charged £7

edit - make that Thursday 4pm because of the Bank Holiday/Good Friday

Andrea,

The obvious answer is King's Norton parish church. It is an ancient foundation and is quite likely to be the one you want.

Peter

If you find the marriage on freebmd and then click on the Kings Norton name, you will see a list of places covered by that registration district and the time frames.

Gwyn

Peter, that isn't so. Kings Norton registration district spanned as far as Balsall Heath - near to the centre of Birmingham - to Smethwick, now in the Black country. Borders have changed beyond all recognition.
Andrea, Kings Norton did border on Birmingham. Have you got an address on census reports? This might give a clue.
Jan

The earliest census addressin 1851 I have for the man is Buckingham Street, St Georges Parish, Birmingham but he was married to somebody else by then.

However in 1840 the first wife and him may have lived in vauxhall street, St Peter's district Birmingham

Andrea, while you could search the parish records for churches in these areas you really need that marriage cert. Just too many possibilities. You might guess by my username that I'm a Brummie (and I live in the next district to what is now Kings Norton!) , but I wouldn't even know where to start!
Jan

Thanks Jan,

Sadly I think you are correct, I just wanted to save myself a few pounds. The new £9 for a certificate is a lot don't you think it really makes you have to think twice if you really need it or of you can find the information else where first. Nevermind

Thanks for your help

Order before Friday and you should only pay £7.
Jan

Andrea,

Jan is quite right. I was too hasty in leaping onto the obvious. Getting the certificate might save you a great deal of time.

Peter

I have decided to apply for the certificate, I am convinced althought it is in Kings Norton it will probably be right on the outskirts of birmingham but hopefully I should know by the end of the week. Everything conected to this part of the family is a pain!

The price is also increasing from local register offices.

I've got rellies that came from that way, and Kings Norton came under Staffford. on the certs is has Registation district Kings Norton sub district Harborne in the county of Stafford. the earliest one is dated 1841. hope this is of use.

I think the Hugh Wallis site lists the churches in Kings Norton.

At the risk of sounding like a total geek, this is history of Kings Norton registration district:

Registration County : Worcestershire (1837-1912); Warwickshire (1912-24).
Created : 1.7.1837.
Abolished : 1.9.1924 (succeeded by Birmingham South district).

It has never come under Staffordshire, but the boundaries around that area have been very fluid, so it does get a bit blurry!

Even as a local I had no idea till starting my research that Kings Norton was a much bigger area than Birmingham in the 19th century. This caused me no end of grief for a while Suffice it to say that looking at the present Kings Norton is of no relevance whatsoever as it is just a small suburb of Birmingham now.

Jan

Thanks for the info Jan, I spoke to the registar office on Monday and I decided just to bit the bullet and get the certificate - I knew I would in the end - Not that I have any reason to think this but I get a feeling the marriage certificate might come back as being a registry office wedding. I have been on another forfum and they say that registrar office weddings started in 1837 along with civil registration.

Andrea, make sure you come back and tell us your findings. Would love to know!
Jan

Hi Jan I sure will I am just waiting for the postman so hopefully it will come today fingers crossed - update nothing came today have to wait until saturday now:(
Regards Andrea