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Can anyone help me ive been searching for my gg grandfather in 1861 census for months now. Ive tried variations of his name but nothing, I cant find a birth index reg for him either. His name was Levi Martin born abt 1860 madeley or mucclestone staffs.

I wonder if he was not born in Staffordshire????


The first record of him is on the 1871 census, when he is a servant in Cheshire

It is quite common for our ancestors to think that they were born somewhere when they actually moved to there when very young.


There are 2 Levi Martin's born ca 1858 on the 1861 Census

Levi Martin Elizabeth abt 1858 Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England Grandson Faldingworth, Lincolnshire

Levi Martin Robert,Esther abt 1858 Westhoughton, Lancashire, England Son Westhoughton, Lancashire



The first one, born Lincoln, with mother Elizabeth Martin, does not appear in 1871, but is replaced with Levi born Staffordshire:-


Levi Martin Robert, Esther abt 1858 Westhoughton, Lancashire, England Son Westhoughton, Lancashire

Sevi Martin [Levi Martin] abt 1858 Madley, Staffordshire, England Servant Checkley Cum Winchill, Cheshire



I wonder if that is your Levi, whose mother Elizabeth moved to Staffordshire, and he thought that was where he was born, or was told that



Just a theory




sylvia

perhaps not


Levi born Lincoln, living Faldingworth Lincolnshire reappears in 1881


That's that theory blown to pieces!



sylvia

I assume this is who you mean? Possibly born ater 1861 census. Do you have him1871?

1891 England Census

Name: Levi Martin
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Madeley, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Madeley
Ecclesiastical parish: Madeley
Town: Onneley
County/Island: Staffordshire

Registration district: Newcastle Under Lyme
Sub-registration district: Newcastle under Lyme

Levi Martin 30
Sarah Martin 29
Mary A Martin 5
Harry Martin 3
Nelly Martin 3/12
Caleb Millington 20
Elizabeth Millington 22
Edward Salmon 3

Jan

Was he registered as Preston i wonder ?.

1861

Name: Levi Preston
Age: 4 Mo
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Madeley, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Madeley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View image

Registration district: Newcastle Under Lyme
Sub-registration district: Newcastle Under Lyme
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 14

James Preston 54 Ag Lab. Born Shropshire.
Ann Preston 41 Wife born Sound ?, Cheshire.
Margret Martin 20 Dau. Unm. Born Sound ?, Cheshire. << ??
Sarah Preston 7 Dau. Born Madeley.
James Preston 7 Son Born Madeley.
Maria Preston 3 Dau born Madeley.
Emiley Preston 1 Dau born Madeley.
Levi Preston 4 Mo Son born Madeley. <<.

Class: RG9; Piece: 1918; Folio: 63; Page: 3; GSU roll: 542887.



Edit: Could he have been the son of Daughter Margret Martin and registered by Grandparents as a Preston ?.

Annabella,

Do you have his parents on census? I can see him 1871/1911 the latter he is in Madeley with his own family.

Was he the first born? it may be possible that he was registered in his mothers name if the parents were not married at the time of birth, or was the mothers child by a different partner?

A

Possibly? Can't see him 1861 though.


1871 England Census
about Sevi Martin
Name: Sevi Martin
[Levi Martin]
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Madley, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Checkley Cum Winchill
Ecclesiastical parish: Wybunbury
Town: Checkley
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Nantwich
Sub-registration district: Wybunbury

Have you got his father's name from his marriage cert?
Jan

Thanks so much for helping!!!!

Fathers name james martin on marriage cert. He was married on dec 30th 1884 age 24 so he must be somewhere in 1861 census, ive searched using just levi birth year and place but nothing. In 1871 he`s working with william martin i linked him to preson family he is ann preson son from first marriage to william martin. I found Levi Preson in 1871 census.

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1871 for ref:

Name: Levi Preston
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Onneley, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Onneley
Ecclesiastical parish: Madeley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Newcastle Under Lyme
Sub-registration district: Newcastle under Lyme
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Household schedule number: 92

James Preston 65 Ag Lab. Born Salop. (Shropshire).
Ann Preston 51 Wife born cheshire.
Maria Preston 12 Daugh.
Levi Preston 10 Son.
Margaret Martin 6 Grand-daughter.
Jane Martin 4 Grand-daughter.
Fanney Martin 1 grand-daughter.


Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2834; Folio: 123; Page: 18; GSU roll: 836374.


Still can't see a birth for a Levi Martin c1860 Staffordshire. Only a birth for a Levi Preston -


Births Mar 1861 (>99%)
PRESTON Levi Newcastle L. 6b 45

Hey,

My levi is working at checkly wood farm nantwich in 1871 census and levi preston is with his family so defo not him. Theres no info on a mother only james martin ( Labourer) on marriage cert , No info on siblings either but my grandad is sure he had brothers and sisters.

I Cant order a birth cert for him without an index number im so stuck

On marriage cert the witnesses are william addison sarah`s father and ellen grocott

Sorry Annabella, searched every image, page by page, district 18 - 20, Madeley, Staffordshire 1861, no sign of a Levi Martin anywhere, no sign of a birth that fits either !.

Also checked images for Wybunbury, Cheshire 1861.

Thanks everyone for helping me i dont know what more i can do, ive even contacted the church where he is buried but the warden cannot find him in the records at the church !!!!!!!!!

Any tips on finding his birth name i got a copy of death cert he diead 11th june 1952 age 92

Please anyone have any tips for finding birth info if he did have his mothers maiden name or lived somewhere else!!!!

Hi Annabella, sorry that you've had no luck in tracking down the birth of Levi Martin as yet.

I've been looking over the Census records again, i can not find Levi Preston after 1871 ?. My gut feeling is that Levi was born a Preston and changed his name to Martin at a later date.

If no other birth record can be found by anyone, i would be so tempted to order the Levi Preston birth certificate, if only to check the details and discount it.

Births Mar 1861 (>99%)
PRESTON Levi Newcastle L. 6b 45

Sorry i couldn't help further.

Hi netty My levi is working in nantwich in 1871 so he cant be levi Preston also fathers name on marriage cert is james martin. Ann preston`s first husband was william martin. There is a william Martin working with levi in 1871 i thought he might be related to Levi ( i found out that he is the son of william martin and Ann (preston). Where levi signed his name on marriage cert it has an X levi martin ( his mark) there is a ellen grocott as a witness.
Death cert gives no clues.
There was a poor house ( work house) near madeley in newcastle under lyme im having trouble finding any poor union records for 1861

Hi Annabella07

Just because someone is recorded twice on the census does not mean that they are not the same person ... if Levi Preston/Levi Martin are the same person, who usually lived with his mother and stepfather, and walked to work* most days (it is around the same distance that the Candleford children walked to school each day), but happened to stay over at work on the night of the census, he might well have been recorded twice. I understand that Charles Darwin was recorded twice on one census.

[*Edit: assuming that the farm is near Checkley between Bridgemer and Wrine Hill, and Madeley is a few miles south east of Checkley, close to Madeley Heath, now on the M6?]

In your case, it might well make sense for Levi to be known as Martin to most of the community (i.e. his stepfather's surname), but to be recorded as Preston by his own family.

(Not to say that this is the case here, but it remains possible...)

It is also possible to explain away the name difference of the father on the marriage certificate, since James would be his stepfather's Christian name (if he is Levi Preston), and Levi might not have recalled that his father had been named William.

One point that does make me hesitant about the theory of Levi Preston/Levi Martin is that Levi Preston is only 10 in 1871 - and 4 months old in 1861. To my mind, that seems slightly young to be a farmworker in 1871, and the farmer recorded Levi Martin as older than that - what do others think?