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Hi

wonder if any body can come up with any more thoughts on this family that I have on my tree.

Arthur James Blackwell b1857 Leamington, Warwick. He married Mary Ann Thompson 1876, they have several children. On 1891 census Mary Ann is in the Warwick Union workhouse with a baby and Arthur is with his sister, however in 1901 he is with Annie Elizabeth Blackwell, who is said to be a boarder, and there are a few more children. I cant find a marriage and the Arthur dies 1910 and on 1911 Annie Elizabeth is with the children and she has the surname Bailey as do the children, after 1911 I cant find marriages or any sign of them.

Any thoughts please, its driving me mad. Thanks

for ref

1881 England Census
about Arthur Blackwell
Name: Arthur Blackwell
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary A.
Gender: Male
Where born: Leamington, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Leamington Priors
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address: 28 Gordon St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: House Decorator

Registration district: Warwick
Sub-registration district: Leamington
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur Blackwell 23
Mary A. Blackwell 26
Frederick Blackwell

Hi Janey
I found a marriage for 1876 in Lancashire

Marriages Jun 1876
Blackwell Arthur
THOMPSON Mary Ann
Ormskirk 8b 1092

The Annie Elizabeth could be another sister?

1901 census transcription details for: 32, Eagle Street, Leamington Priors, Leamington

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13 Piece: 2933 Folio: 75 Page: 12


Reg. District: Warwick Sub District: Leamington
Parish: Leamington Priors Enum. District: 21
Ecclesiastical District: Leamington Priors St John the Baptist City/Municipal Borough:

Address: 32, Eagle Street, Leamington Priors, Leamington
County: Warwickshire


Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born

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BLACKWELL, Arthur Head Married M 43 1858 House Painter
Leamington
Warwickshire

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BLACKWELL, Fredrick Son Single M 20 1881 Railway Fireman
Leamington
Warwickshire

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BLACKWELL, Nancy Daughter Single F 3 1898
Leamington
Warwickshire

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BLACKWELL, Fanny Daughter F 1 1900
Leamington
Warwickshire

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BLACKWELL, Annie E Boarder Single F 27 1874 Housekeeper
Wilnecote
Warwickshire

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Might be an idea to send off for one of the younger childrens birth certificates to confirm their mothers name.

Births Sep 1899
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Blackwell Fanny Blackwell Warwick 6d 680

Births Sep 1897 (>99%)
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Blackwell Nancy Warwick 6d 656

Thanks everyone, information you have posted so far is all correct and is what I have on my tree.

Have wondered if she was part of the family so sent for Nancy Blackwell's birth cert.

1897 parent Annie Elizabeth Blackwell formerly Bailey, Father Arthur, home painter, address is 32 Eagle Street like the 1901 census.

Am going around in circles right now! Thanks for your help though

I am guessing that Bailey is her maiden.
1881
Annie E. Bailey Thomas,
Jane abt 1874 Wilmcote, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston Cantlow, Warwickshire
1891
Annie Elizabeth Bailey abt 1873 Withcote, Warwickshire, England Servant Leamington, Warwickshire
1901
I see that she is single,so could be a mistranscription
What is her status in 1911 Widow /married or single?
Have you got a birth cert.for one of the children To find out their mother?

on the 1911

BAILEY, ANNIE ELIZABETH HEAD SINGLE F 37 COOKING WILMCOTE W S ON AVON

BAILEY, NANCY ELIZABETH DAUGHTER F 13 SCHOOL LEAMINGTON WARWICKSHIRE

BAILEY, FANNY DAUGHTER
F 11 SCHOOL LEAMINGTON WARWICKSHIRE

BAILEY, ARTHUR SON M 9 SCHOOL LEAMINGTON WARWICKSHIRE

Yes have the birth cert for Nancy which confirms Arthur and Annie E Blackwell formerly Bailey are the parents.

Arthur dies in the canal in Leamington in 1910, so am trying to search the family after 1911, but no sign!

Any other thoughts please anyone!


Thanks

Arthur married Mary Ann, and had children

Mary Ann ended up in the workhouse for some reason ........... it may well have been in the hospital part, or the asylum


Arthur moved in with Annie Elizabeth, but they could not marry because Mary Ann was still alive


In other words ............. what we now call a common-law marriage


After Arthur's death, Annie Elizabeth went back to her maiden name



Find Mary Ann Blackwell! And any of the children she had with Arthur


If she is still alive in 1911, then you have your answer.




sylvia

That Mary Ann Blackwell in the Workhouse is said to be Unmarried.

The baby is Ann Elizabeth Blackwell, not Ann Eliza (the second name is written Elizh, with the h as a superscript).


I cannot read the occupation that is put for her and the baby ......... No (something)




sylvia

This might be that Ann Elizabeth Blackwell from the 1891 Census, still in the Workhouse

1901 Census

Name: Elizabeth Blackwell
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Relation: Pauper
Gender: Female
Where born: Whitnash, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Warwick St Nicholas
Ecclesiastical parish: Warwick St Nicholas
Town: Warwick
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Registration district: Warwick
Sub-registration district: Warwick
ED, institution, or vessel: Union Workhouse
Neighbors: View others on page





and here is that Mary Ann Blackwell from 1891

Name: Mary Ann Blackwell
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Pauper
Gender: Female
Where born: Meole Brace, Shropshire, England

Civil parish: Warwick St Nicholas
Ecclesiastical parish: Warwick St Nicholas
Town: Warwick
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Registration district: Warwick
Sub-registration district: Warwick
ED, institution, or vessel: Union Workhouse
Neighbors: View others on page


The image says Married, No Occupation





I'm wondering whether the Mary Ann Blackwell in the Workhouse is the wife of Arthur

If she was, then she is still alive in 1901




sylvia

and it looks as though she is still in the institution in Warwick in 1911


I used the free search, don't have the credits to see what it says on the image


INSTITUTION BLACKWELL MARY ANN F 1854 57 Warwick Warwickshire


and is this Blackwell in the same institution, and if so is she connected????

INSTITUTION BLACKWELL ROSSETTA F 1902 9 Warwick Warwickshire




sylvia

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

is this more evidence???


Mary Ann Blackwell on the 1901 Census says she was born in Meole Brace, Shropshire.


Here is a young Mary Ann Thompson born in Meole Brace, Shropshire .. and that is in the Shrewsbury registration district.


1861 Census

Name: Mary Ann Thompson
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Meole Brace, Shropshire, England

Civil parish: Meole Brace
Ecclesiastical parish: Meole Brace
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Registration district: Shrewsbury
Sub-registration district: St Chad

Eleanor Darlington 80 no occupaton given
Mary Ann Thompson 6
James Leary 17 Miller


Address:- Meole Brace




sylvia

Sylvia


Thank you so much for all the searching you have done and I will also look into Rosetta too. I have also found a possible death for Mary Ann Blackwell.

I understand what your saying about Annie Elizabeth, not marrying Arthur and going back to her maiden name after Arthur killed himself in 1910, however I am keen to find out what happened to her and the 3 children.

Thank you again


Janey

marriage?
Annie E Bailey 1911 Lutterworth Leicestershire, Northamptonshire, Warwickshire
You will have to search for a variety of surname. Blackwell,Bailey and if Annie married then her new name.

Thank you SatNav for all your help

I have been invited to join in by my namesake. ;)

Trying to figure out where Annie was born - seems to be Alcester reg dist.

So this would be her birth:

Births Mar 1874
Bailey Annie Elizabeth Alcester 6d 642

But I'm being dumb -- I was thinking that getting her birth cert and thus her exact dob might help find her death even if under a different surname - but that only works after 1971ish when dob was recorded with the death.

That might work for the children, though. You have Nancy's birth cert - what is her exact dob?

Births Jun 1901
BLACKWELL Arthur Warwick 6d 678

Births Sep 1899
Blackwell Fanny Blackwell Warwick 6d 680

edit - aha -

Births Jun 1901
BAILEY Arthur Blackwell Warwick 6d 678

Births Sep 1899
Bailey Fanny Blackwell Warwick 6d 680

for ref.

Hi Janey

Thanks for helping!

Ok, as far as I know info from the census has Annie Elizabeth Bailey born 1874 in Wilmcote, Warwickshire.

I have Nancy birth cert which matches up with the address on the census, she is born 05 Aug 1897 Annie is down as Blackwell and Arthur is named as the Father address Eagle Street, Leamington, Warwick