Genealogy Chat

Hi Rose,
I've got them on this census, Joseph has died and Hannah has remarried, can't find the marriage tho but yes thats probably why ,
Hannah went on to have 3 girls with William have just found them on the I.G.I

Is this the family in 1861? I don't see a marriage to William:

1861 England Census
about Hannah Buff
Name: Hannah Buff
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Tipton, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Tipton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Tipton
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 204
Household Members: Name Age
William Buff 38
Hannah Buff 36
John Buff 13
Jacob Buff 11
Mary A Buff 9
Alice Buff 6

Perhaps this is where the Baugh name comes in.

Rose

Thanks Corrine, i did find a Ann Maria Henley christened 5th march 1826 in neighbouring parish of Dudley , mother Pheobe Henley and one for exactly the same person and date with the mother as Sarah Henley, both extracted on the I.G.I..........could Ann Maria become Hannah i wonder!

Brian, Sylvia and sue, thankyou for your help

There is this Thomas on the 1841 and living next door is a Bott family.The Joseph Ball you have been given is living with a Bott family on the 1841

1841

Thomas Ball
Age: 66
Estimated birth year: abt 1775
Gender: Male
Where born: Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Tipton
Hundred: South Offlow
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

View image

Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Tipton
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Ball 66 Labourer
Hannah Ball 20
Mary Ball 15
Ann Ball 2

don't forget Hannah can sometimes be found as Anna or even Anne/Annie


and Susannah can be found as Susan/Susanna



sylvia

Is there any chance that either Joseph or Hannah were living near to John Haines on the 1841 census,
honestly, these don't want to be found!!!
Even their son Jacob's marriage was a nightmare ( he was under the name Baugh and his wife Jane Hammonds was down as Hemmings!)
These poor people obviously had a hard life, Joseph died 1855/56 and Jacob was down the mines at 11 yrs old.
I think that the Hannah handley that K found on the 1841 census as a servant is probably my Hannah.

There is this one, but it would rule out susannah being her sister


John Haines 1845 West Bromwich Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire


Susanna Martin 1845 West Bromwich Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire

Unfortunately Freebmd does not have a possible marriage of a John Haines to a Susanna in the right area or timescale (which if daughter Harriet is 9 in 1851 should have been circa 1840)

Linda,in my notes i have a Joseph living with a John which may be his older brother perhaps, no Thomas tho, must be elsewhere, will check to see if i've looked in the deaths

the witnesses??

1851

Name: John Haines
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Susannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Cloy Hills, Shropshire, England

Civil parish: Tipton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Tipton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1n
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 85
Household Members: Name Age
John Haines 30
Susannah Haines 30
Harriet Haines 9
Mary Bayley 72

1841 only one I can see is this one. he is living with a family I think is Bott??

Name: Joseph Ball
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1822
Gender: Male
Where born: Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Tipton
Hundred: South Offlow
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Tipton
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Ball 19


EDIT he is a labourer but nothing to give us his family :(

Yes Janet the marriage was 8th March 1847

the marriage cert says Joseph Ball of age Labourer , Tipton
father Thomas Ball, labourer
Hannah Henley of age tipton ( no father)
Witnesses John Haines and Susanna Haines

Hi jaine
Just to confirm is the marriage on Freebmd ref Dudley 18 -363 March Qtr 1847 Hannah Henley/Joseph Ball your gt/gt grandparents?- JLe

Another thought...

Who are the witnesses at her marriage? Could they be relatives?

If one is female with a different surname she could be a married sister.

If a witness turns out to be a relative it may help locate her in 1841.

Chris

who was Josephs father on marriage cert? and his occupation? maybe we can find them

thanks to you aswell Linda

K,
these are proving to one of the worst lines i've followed even Joseph's parents are proving elusive......i guess they don't want to be found!
Thankyou for taking a look for me

As Linda said it will be difficult to find her without a father. There are several Hannah's in Tipton in 1841 with surnames similar to Henley. I searched on Hannah's of the approx age living in Tipton. There is one with granparents(Hasley) and one working as a servant (Handley) but without a father to tie them in it is guesswork