Genealogy Chat

Noted, Cynthia.

Kathleen, the original researcher, has posted on a well-known social site and I've replied that I've made findings which may or may not assist her. I'll continue from there on that site.

Thanks.

Hello John,

This thread is now over 2 years old and it is doubtful if the original poster is still checking for replies.

You can try clicking on Kathleen's name and send your message that way. If she still has the same email address, she will be notified.

If you are looking for connections on this site, the best thing to do is to put the names you are researching into the Search Trees box above to see if anyone else has them in their tree. If you find a connection, you can contact the tree owner. Cx.

The female witness is one Harriett CANTELL. 1871 Census living in St Luke's parish, Camera Terrace, London. A young Clara Hill (Harriot Clara Hill?) is living with her. This Clara is given as being 15 years of age. (If it's Harriot, Barnes has married a minor.)

The "Noleen" in Thomas William Barnes' baptism record could be "Nolan". Then again looking at ancestry's record it has an "R" in his name - it could well be "Rolan" or "Roland".

Thank you all so much for your assitance. Blossom the children you found are certianly those of Charles & harriet.

Still need to find birth for Charles but will keep looking

kathy

Births Jun 1896 (>99%)
Barnes Mary Ann Wandsworth 1d 619 Scan available - click to view

Possible:

Births Sep 1902 (>99%)
Barnes Rose Adelaide Camberwell 1d 946 Scan available - click to view

Births Sep 1889 (>99%)
Barnes John Frederick Wandsworth 1d 614 Scan available - click to view

Births Dec 1886 (>99%)
Barnes Clara Eliza Chelsea 1a 309 Scan available - click to view

Births Dec 1884 (>99%)
Barnes Thomas William R Chelsea 1a 324 Scan available - click to view

Blossom the children you found are the ones in My husbands family are you able to find out any more Catherine is my husbands great grandmother.

Hi Kathy,

I've turned it upside and inside out and I just can't tie Charles into the 1871 or 1861 census, there must be a reason;

1. He is under a stepfathers name and reverted to his true name at marriage?

2. He was illegitemate (still can't spell it!!!) and made Charles up......... mother may have married later?

3. He was previously married under a different name, didn't work out and then he met Harriet and wanted to marry her........ married her under a false name?

I suppose we could go on, but it's still not helping to find Charles.

The witnesses on their marriage do not seem to help, George Davis and Harriett Cun???ll (Maybe Harrietts mother remarried?)......... it seems strange to not see him in 1871 in the Chelsea area especially as he marries 11 months later in the area.

I'll keep looking and hopefully with fingers crossed (damn hard to type though!!) something may turn up.

One last thing, they had a daughter in 1877 Isabella Clara who died in 1880............ I wonder if this could be Charles's mothers name... ISABELLA??


Dee xx

barry

The lady who sent me the information had a complete family tree with all the IGI references all the dates corresponded as well. since this line is in my husband's tree ane he is not so interested in family history I did not check it out properly. It has taught be a big lesson.

Thanks for all your help.

I found a charles Barnes on 1861 census living with Grand parents. Wyatt aged 66 and Elizabth 68 he is aged 16 address 14 Camden place, kensington it gives his place of birth as Middlesex. They are also on 1851 census ( same address) this time he is shown as son.


I wonder if this could be my Charles Barnes?? Place of birth may be given wrongly because of the poor laws. I cannot find Wyatt and Elizabeth in 1841. any suggestions

netty he would have only been 5 years old. I don't think they transported children that young did they. Good idea though.

Hi Kathleen, could this be your Charles, if it is, might be the reason he can't be found in earlier Census, could have stayed on a few more years after serving his sentence !.

Name: Charles Barnes
Date of Trial: 30 Dec 1850
Trial Year: 1850
Location of Trial: Suffolk, England
Sentence: Imprisonment 3 Months.
Crime: Larceny.


Name: Charles Barnes
Date of Trial: 23 Oct 1851
Trial Year: 1851
Location of Trial: Suffolk, England
Sentence: Transportation 7 years.
Crime: Larceny before Convicted of Felony.

Births Sep 1880 (>99%)
BARNES Charles Henry Chelsea 1a 316 Scan available - click to view

Births Dec 1878 (>99%)
BARNES Catherine Elizabeth Chelsea 1a 307 Scan available - click to view

May be first daughter's birth:

Births Jun 1875 (>99%)
Barnes Albert Charles Chelsea 1a 274 Scan available - click to view
Barnes George Chelsea 1a 322 Scan available - click to view
Barnes Harriet Maria Chelsea 1a 271 Scan available - click to view >>>>>>>>>>>>
Barnes Herbert Charles Chelsea 1a 295 Scan available - click to view

Hi Kathy,

I've had a good look for Charles in 1871 and I can't see him.... I've used Henry also as his forename as he seems to always state H or Henry.

The only interesting thing I've turned up is the christening of Thomas;

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Thomas William Noleen Barnes
Name: Thomas William Noleen Barnes
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 7 Dec 1884
Father's Name: Charles Henry Barnes
Mother's Name: Harriett Clara Barnes
Parish: Saint Luke, Chelsea
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
County: Middlesex



I wonder were Noleen came from???

Charles has gone from a Mason in 1872 to a labourer on the christening records in 1875 to a Carman in 1881!!!


Dee xx

Blossom
The charles Barnes born woodbridge is also in 1881 census and is not charles henry barnes with wife Harriet. Thanks for looking

Denise the marriage you found is the one for Charles and Harriet , I have a copy of the certificate but the address was not readable, Thank you so much for the information
kathy