Genealogy Chat

yes think that may be the next step.
we have (my sister and my self ) have managed to trace the women in the family but the men are proving harder to find !!

I left Kirham in 1980 but mother and sister still live there so go back quite a bit .

Thanks for your help will look out for you
Jackey

worth buying that Prestwich marriage certificate?

1851 census would be useful

Would prove occupation where he was living and father's name - there was actually another Lawrence b Bolton but think he is probably a red herring

v small world - I've lived in this area since 1970

What a coincidence its a small world !

i have laurence and elisa (eliza ) boarding in 1861 it must have been after they got married he is a roller corner then she is down as birth in 1839
Cant figure out why they married in Prestwich and not Oldham but havnt been able to find a marriage for them in Oldham ?
it must be them ?

could this be Lawrenc'e baptism (Helen = Ellen = Elin etc)

Baptism: 3 Aug 1834 St Peter, Oldham, Lancashire, England
Laurance Butterworth - Son of John Butterworth & Helen
Abode: North Moor
Occupation: Shopkeeper
Baptised by: Wm. Winter
Register: Baptisms 1829 - 1834, Page 300, Entry 2394
Source: LDS Film 1656068

Why on earth id he marry in Prestwich if Eliza was from Oldham as well???

Do you have any certificates? or Lawrence on any other census

live 2 miles up the road - Newton b Blackpool lived in Kirkham for 5 years

Thankyou so much

i had been looking for his death obviously in the wrong place !
and its definatley the right family
just 9 brothers and sisters to go lol

I love a challenge
Grandaughter gone home so sponge bob square pants has been knocked off hurray brains will be scrambled by the end of the week

Jackey

Lawrence's death/

Deaths Dec 1876 (>99%)
Butterworth Lawrence 43 Oldham 8d 417

1881 for ref

Eliza BUTTERWORTH Head W Female 43 Oldham, Lancashire, England
William BUTTERWORTH Son U Male 17 Oldham, Lancashire, England (SM) Roller Coverer
John BUTTERWORTH Son U Male 13 Oldham, Lancashire, England Screw Pollisher
Walter BUTTERWORTH Son U Male 10 Oldham, Lancashire, England Scholar

Source Information:
Dwelling Mort St
Census Place Oldham, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341973
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4068 / 75
Page Number 63

Im from Kirkham just outside Preston live in Cumbria now though

born & bred & still living here (West Lancs tho - a san grown un)

I am assuming that your from Lancashire Ann?
Me to originally

Having trouble posting my last one didnt come up ?My typing is jumping all over the place
My Grandfathers parents where called
William and Eliza

But you have come up with a gem for my grt Grandparents I had been looking for a marriage in Oldham never thought about putting Prestwich in thanks so much
Jackey

and gt gt grandparents marriage

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1860
BUTTERWORTH Lawrence
BARLOW Eliza
Prestwich, St.Mary

I'm taking a guess here but is this your grandfather's family? All mother's maiden name Barlow

1860 BUTTERWORTH Hannah

1863 BUTTERWORTH William

1866 BUTTERWORTH Ada

1867 BUTTERWORTH John

1869 BUTTERWORTH Ernest Jones

1871 BUTTERWORTH Walter

1876 BUTTERWORTH Eliza Ellen

I think between us there will be a few delays today. I have my grandchildren here visiting as well but they have just gone out for a while with parents so peace reigns at the moment.

I think they may have affected my brain too! Who was William visiting at the time and do you have rough dates for gt gt & gt grandparents please. Sorry to keep asking questions but having difficulty finding the right ones.

No we think William, was visiting them at the time
grt grt grandparents were called Lawrence and Eliza Butterworth
grt grandparents were William and Eliza butterworth all from Oldham
sorry for any delay in posting I have my Grandaughter today

Hi Jackey

so the William is Ashworth St that you mentioned in your post is NOT your William as John & Ellen were in Royton St. Just trying to get it straight in my head.

What was the name of your gt grandparents & your 2xgt grandparents please so that I can perhaps follow it through using baptisms. At the moment I cannot find any of the baptisms and wondered if an earlier generation would give a clue. There is quite a bit online and at the Lancs record office for the area.

Hi
John and Ellen are his parents they are my 3xGreatgrandparents we have been double checking what happened to all their children my 3x great aunt and uncles ,and their children with so many of the same name it is hard to figure out whos who !
we seem to loose some of them in 1881
But Im enjoying the challenge
thnakyou again for the time you all take to help and give advice to us new to this it is invaluable
Jackey

Jackey, what lancashireann is saying is both Williams are book keepers, both are in Oldham. How do you know which one is yours?

1861 census transcription details for: Ashworth Street, Oldham
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09 Piece: 3010 Folio: 13 Page: 20

Reg. District: Oldham Sub District: 1 Oldham-Below-Town
Parish: Oldham Enum. District: 14
Ecclesiastical District: St Peters City/Municipal Borough: Oldham
Address: Ashworth Street, Oldham
County: Lancashire
>>>>>>>BUTTERWORTH, William Head Unmarried M 34 1827 Book Keeper; Hayton, Lancashire
BUTTERWORTH, George Brother Unmarried M 31 1830 Cotton Weaver; Hayton, Lancashire
BUTTERWORTH, Mary Sister Unmarried F 39 1822 House Keeper; Hayton, Lancashire
BUTTERWORTH, Ann Ellen Niece F 3 1858 Scholar; Oldham, Lancashire



1861 census transcription details for: Royton Road, Oldham
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09 Piece: 3013 Folio: 62 Page: 37

Reg. District: Oldham Sub District: 1 Oldham-Below-Town
Parish: Oldham Enum. District: 29
Ecclesiastical District: Holy Trinity City/Municipal Borough: Oldham
Address: Royton Road, Oldham
County: Lancashire
BETTESWORTH, John Head Married M 68 1793 Gentleman; Royton, Lancashire
BETTESWORTH, Ellen Wife Married F 68 1793; Waldershare, Lancashire
>>>>>BETTESWORTH, William Son Unmarried M 34 1827 Bricklayer Cotton Mill; Oldham, Lancashire [should be book keeper]
BETTESWORTH, Hannah Daughter Unmarried F 29 1832 Roller Coverer; Oldham, Lancashire
BETTESWORTH, James Son Unmarried M 24 1837 Manager Cotton Mill; Oldham, Lancashire
BETTESWORTH, Mary Daughter F 22 1839 Roller Coverer; Oldham, Lancashire
BETTESWORTH, Martha J Daughter Unmarried F 26 1835 Roller Coverer; Oldham, Lancashire

have to go to bed cant keep my eyes open thanks for all of your help
Jackey

Hi
The one that has him as a book keeper is the right one its when we go forward that I have a bit of a problem its the job change I cant find a James that is a book keeper but can find one who is an eyelet manufactor its in 1881 but cant find him in 1871
wolud you go from a book keeper to a eyelet manufacturer?