Genealogy Chat

Hi,
just looked on family search and managed to have a look at the family's you mentioned,seems more than a coincidence to me that several of the children's names are the same.And birth place for the adults is Ireland.
Cathie

Hi ErinGoBragh1916,
well,i didn't have all those Harringtons living in the same road,and district,i bet there related to mine.This could be a big breakthrough,as although John and Ellen are hard to track down re the Ireland births,the rest might be easier.
Looking forward to your mail very much.
I have an elderly cousin now living in Italy that started the tree on this branch of my family and she will be over the moon.
I suppose it's not hard to imagine that they all came over from Ireland for work,so could be brothers or cousins.
I'll have a read back and see what you sent on Jeremiah.
Also will e-mail my cousin to see if she has any thing on the Baps,i don't thinks so though.I think they were Catholic,but i'll check.
Many thanks again,it's great getting the other families.

Cathie

Cathie....Have you found H.Calnan and family living Orb St.Newington...?
There are also a number of Calnan families in the Surrey area..may be worth taking a look....
Will send you a Email....

Evening Cathie....Well this is the oddest thing...unless I have sent you the details of John and Ellen living in Swan Yard Newington before, then the "other" person I told you about (re Jeremiah) is of the same Harrington Family....
I couldnt find John and Ellen because I was looking in Middx not Surrey..!!!
You do realise that next door is Patrick Harrington and family (No.13) and down the street is Michael and Family (3 Swan Row) and another John and family (9 Swan Row).....
Christine

ErinGoBragh1916,
Hi sorry to have kept yo in limbo,
I'll paste in what i have for them on my tree.

1871

Name: Ellen Harrington
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: St George The Martyr Southwark
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub registration district: Borough Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 268
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Harrington 27
John Harrington 24
John Harrington 10 months

1881
Name: Ellen Harrington
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: Newington
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 12 Swan Yard
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub registration district: Trinity Newington
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Daniel Harrington 2
Dennis Harrington 4
Ellen Harrington 34
John Harrington 33
John Harrington 10

1891.

Name: Ellen Harrington
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: St Saviours
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub registration district: St Saviour Southwark
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Harrington 49 b. Ireland..Occ: General Labourer
Ellen Harrington 44
Dennis Harrington 14 b. Southwark
Daniel Harrington 12 b. Southwark
Ann Harrington 7


these are the reg for the children that i think are them

Births Sep 1870 this a guesstimate note to me
Harrington John St. Saviour 1d 17

Desmond c1875 can't find his birth

Births reg march 1877
Harrington Dennis John St. Saviour 1d 95

Births Mar 1880 (>99%)
Harrington Daniel St.Saviour 1d 111
his spouse Margaret Bryan

Ann(e) Harrington 1, Union Court, Red Cross St., Southwark,dist. St Saviour's 15.09.1883
death 1956

Anne's spouse
Spouse name: William Lock
Place of marriage: Registry Office,Bermondsey
Date of marriage: 03.03.1917
Divorced: No
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for john harrington c1844
Last known address 237 Pitts Place, St Saviour district, census 1891
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Marriages Sep 1865
Calnin Ellen Holborn 1b 944
Harrington John Holborn 1b 944
Buried Leytonstone,grave no 21, row 13, plot 11a

for ellen c1844
date of death
15.03.1926

this the lot i have for them.
nothing from before they moved to England

thanks
Cathie

Cathie...I cannot locate your "John and Ellen" on the 1881 Census...what was the last address you had for them eg.1871/1891...
The only John and Ellen Harrington I have located live at 21 Ashton St.Middx. with children John/Johanna/Thomas and mother-in-law Johanna DONAVAN.
John and Ellen are both aged 40yrs and he is a Stevedore.

Cathie...I cannot locate John and Ellen on the 1881 Census...what was the last address you had for them eg.1871/1891...

Hello Cathie....
It may be the only answer to get the Marriage Cert..that at least would give the fathers names..providing it is the right couple as there were lots of Harringtons in that area of London..however if you are reasonably sure Ellen was nee Calnan then there is a good chance its them.....Do you have any details relating to the Baptisms of their children....What Church it was....the Church Registers can be a good source of info.
Christine

Morning,
thanks for all this.I think i will have to get the cert as you suggest.
Isn't it annoying that on the census they never said where in Ireland! would have made life so much easier.
The names for John and Ellen's children all born c1871-1883 were John, Denis, Daniel, Desmond ,and Ann,and i notice there is a Daniel on the list.
On my other family members from this era,they seemed to name children after family members.
cathie

Morning Cathie....
You can see that its no mean feat working out who belongs to who ..

1845.2.Feb.

Jeremiah Harrington and Ellen McCarthy.
Witnesses: William Shine and Owen McCarthy.
Townland: Craig.

1845.19 August.

Florey Harrington and Eliz.Monkton.
Witnesses: Geo.and Jane Monkton.
Townland: Inchigeelagh

1846. 14 February.

Michael Harrington and Ellen McCarthy.
Witnesses: Jeremiah Harrington and Mary McCarthy
Townland: Coolyrelehy.

1857.24 February.

Daniel Harrington and Mary Field.
Witnesses: Daniel Harrington and Francis Field.
Townland: Cooleen

1858.13 February.

John Harrington and Mary Cronin.
Witnesses: John Cronin and Michael Harrington.
Townland.
Keamcorrobourley.

Thanks Lesley,
at least this gives me an idea of what areas to look in
Cathie

Evening Cathie.....
Here are some of the Harrington Baptisms I have found from the Inchigeelagh Church...unless you eventually get a MC for John and Ellen you may not find a connection...The Harringtons are numerous in this area and have married into the Welshes...(Hundreds of them)..
Will start with the earliest and hope they make sense to you...

1817.27 January.
John son of Cornelious Harrington and Mary Chambers.
Sponsers: Corn.Buttimer and Norry Shea.
Village: Tirgeagh.

1829.12 August.
Jeremiah son of John Harrington and Mary Cronin.
Sponsers: Ty.Cronin and Mary Neary.
Village: Cooleen
1833.2 January.
Mary daughter of John Harrington and Mary Cronin.
Sponsors: Daniel Harrington and Ellen Cronin.
Village: Cooleen

1844. 21 November.
Jude daughter of Florey Harrington and Eliz.Monkton.
Sponsers: George and Jane Monkton.
Village: Inchigeelagh

1846.13 December.
Mary daughterofMichael harrington and Jude McCarthy.
Sponsers: Jas.Sullivan and Jeremiah Hurley.
Village:Coolieriahy.

Best go and get something to eat..willsent further stuff later..
Cx

Ok
later
Cathie

Cathie...Just got in from work willcontact you later today Friday...

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On the 1891 his age is 49,but i think they rounded it up somehow
Cathie
so i think that makes 1842

I'll just see if i ca find a census for them,it should give his approx age

yes,
on my tree it gives his year of birth as c1844
Cathie

Cathie...I have found a number of Calnan /Calnane families in the Inchigeelagh area of Co.Cork along with Harringtons...so maybe the Surname for Ellen was correct....Have you any idea roughly how old john was...?

Thanks for that,
I don't have a Jeremiah on my tree though mores the pity,it would have helped you out
cathie