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Thanks June

They could be mistranscribed


June x

Why would it show on ancestry but not on the others?

Gypsyjoe

They are on Ancestry


June x

Hi Blossom! Where are you picking up your census details for Gypsyjoe??

Thanks Angela

I did have an ancestry subscription at one stage but found it rather unuseful, I have tried family search but have never found any of my family on it, not sure why there.

I'll have a look at the link too thanks. I did go to a records centre in East London once but I can't remember where it was. May have ben near Whitechapel.

Gypsy

Hi! Me again!

If you type this web address in your search bar it should take you to a thread that was created some time ago with a huge list of useful websites you can use in your search for your tree! Its very useful...

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1074651

Angela

Hi GypseyJoe

A subscription to Ancestry.co.uk will give you access to census 1841 - 1901, plus Birth, marriage and death and much much more - you can download the original papers from here apart from BMD certificates. They add new things to help us all the time. Recently they added WWI information.

You will need to cross reference information you have on proven certificates to help you go back with the census. So you will need to check what qtr and year to order certificates.

Also you can use Freebmd.co.uk (but that info is on Ancestry).

Also Familysearch.org.uk - this has birth, marriage & death going back centuries and also the 1881 census. All free to view.

Some time ago I subscribed to EOLFHS (East of London Family History Society) and found so much information there too. But then all of my ancestors were from that area for centuries.

Good luck with your search. Don't hesitate to ask for help.
Kind regards
Angela

Oooh Blossom

They look like they could be right. Where did you find them please? I'd like to get the original image. Also any other details I can get from the census.

Thanks again
Gypsy-joe

1841 England Census
about William Ellis
Name: William Ellis
Age: 6 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Botolph Aldgate
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub registration district: Aldgate
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Ellis 25
Mary Ellis 20
Thomas Ellis 7
James Ellis 5
John Ellis 3
William Ellis 6 Mo

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1851 England Census
about William Ellis
Name: William Ellis
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England

Civil Parish: St Mary Whitechapel
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub registration district: Goodmans Fields
ED, institution, or vessel: 1q
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Ellis 37
Mary Ellis 33
Thomas Ellis 17
James Ellis 15
John Ellis 12
William Ellis 10
Richard Ellis 6
Alfred Ellis 3
Mary Ann Ellis 1
Susan Dadley 46

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No, cancel the previous one, this is William with father Thomas, a cooper, and he is born in Aldgate which is right next door to Tower Hill:


1861 England Census
about William Ellis
Name: William Ellis
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Aldgate, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Whitechapel
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub registration district: Goodmans Fields
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 196
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Ellis 48
Mary Ann Ellis 43
John Ellis Ellis 23
William Ellis 21
Richard Ellis 17
Alfred Ellis 14
Mary Ann Ellis 12
Elizabeth Ellis 10
Walter Elles 8
Edward Elles 5
Louisa Elles 3
Susan Dudley 50

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This may be no use at all but this William was born in London and is a Commercial Traveller:


1861 England Census
about William Ellis
Name: William Ellis
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England

Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Liverpool
Sub registration district: Islington
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 121
Household Members:
Name Age
Frances Madsley 34
Mary J Madsley 13
John C Madsley 11
Fanny M Madsley 9
John Wolf 50
Sarah Wolf 45
William Ellis 25
Mary Neil 26
Ellen Smith 30
John G Eltofe 55
George Mayon 34

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Sorry had to go to bed and get some shut eye for a 6am rise for work.

Thanks for the 1871 census where did you all find it?

As for other info;

Ann's maiden name was Shillcock, her father's name was James and he was a bookbinder.

Ann married in 1866 at St Mary's Spital Square.

William' s father was Thomas and he was a cooper.

So that means that the 1841 and 1851 census's are the wrong ones.

Thanks for helping me here. I hope this helps.

Gypsyjoe

Yes but no L Ellis, sister.

Ozi.

Ozibird's 1851 census lookup ties in nicely with the IGI christening with the parents being a match. Is Henry the father on William and Ann's marriage certificate???

1841 England Census
Name: Willm Ellis
Age: 3 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Stepney
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address: Greenfield Street

Registration district: Stepney
Sub registration district: Mile End Old Town Upper
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Ellis 50 - wine cooper; not born in county
Thos Ellis 17 - porter
Willm Ellis 3 Mo
Elizh Ellis 35
Elizabeth Ellis 3

1851 England Census
Name: William Ellis
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Midd, Stepney
Civil Parish: Stepney <<<<<< Borough of Tower Hamlets
Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address: 60 Greenfield St

Registration district: Stepney
Sub registration district: Mile End Old Town Upper
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 117
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Ellis 60 - wine cooper; North Hexham
Elizabeth Ellis 52 - Southwark
William Ellis 10
Joseph Ellis 8 - Stepney
Henry Angus 23 - son-in-law; unmarried [so must be step son]; printer; Southwark

This may be William on an IGI record (www.familysearch.org.uk)
Christening of William Ellis 21 Mar 1841 St Mary Whitechapel Stepney Father Henry Ellis Mother Elizabeth

There are other baptisms in and around the east end of london but the dates are 1839/40 & 42.

And what was their father's names & occupations? We'll need those if you want to go further back.