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Hi i'm stuggling today with anne's parent's !!! i know her father was Thomas Aston born C1830 but i cannot find out what her mother was called or when she was born so therefore cannot find any of her grandparents, any clue's would be brilliant. thank you in advance kind regards adam lees.

P.s i have anne down as born in birkenhead,cheshire, she married my grandfather's grandfather John Thomas Lees in 1874 in st paul's norden

for reference pruposes


is this your Anne/Annie on the 1881 Census??

Name: Annie Lees
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Thos.
Gender: Female
Where born: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Radcliffe
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 3 Eton Hill

Registration district: Bury

Annie Lees 27
Elliott Lees 1
John Thos. Lees 28
Margaret Lees 6
Robert Lees 4



sylvia

I'm looking earlier but having problems


of course what you really need to do is to get her birth certificate!!!



sylvia

yes sylvia thats the census i have from 1881 but like yourself finding it very hard trying to find anything before, thanks for your assistance...

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm


curious



This is on the International Genealogical Index, on www.familysearch.org, the Mormon site.


It is a SUBMITTED record, which means it has been sent in by a church member and there is no backing documentation ..... so very iffy until and unless you can find otherwise.



But it is suspiciously like your "Ann"



Hannah Aston Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth: About 1851 Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: Thomas Aston Family
Mother: Hannah Hughes

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Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.



sylvia

Following along Sylvia line of thought

1851
Name: Hannah Aston
Age: 5 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Hannah
Gender: Female
Where born: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Birkenhead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Registration district: Wirral
Sub registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 1d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 99B
Household Members:
Name Age
Hannah Aston 27 Manchester, Lancashire
Hannah Aston 5 Mo
Thomas Aston 27 Born Harden, Flintshire, Wales

I'm still poking around, but it's taking me longer than usual 'cos the server's acting up!!


I found this Thomas Aston on the 1841 Census. ad wondered if he was the one?


Remember that ages are rounded down to the closest 5 years on the 1841, and relationships are not given.


But this looks like a Thomas aged between 15 and 19 (ie, 1826 to 1830, with his parents, and a sister called Hannah

1841 Census

Name: Thomas Aston
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Male

Civil Parish: Birkenhead
Hundred: Wirrall (Lower Division)
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Registration district: Wirral
Sub registration district: Birkenhead

William Aston 35 b.ca 1806, Birkenhead, Engineer
Mary Aston 35
Thomas Aston 15 Fireman
Hannah Aston 15
Elizabeth Aston 12
Samuel Aston 8
Mary Aston 6
Pheobe Aston 8 Mo



sylvia

Hi Gran

That looks a possible!!



sylvia

I'm giving up, ancestry is now being very slow, and i y eyes are getting tired!!


Hopefully, one of the day shift will be able to take this further!


Good luck



sylvia

thanks sylvia you get yourself to bed for now i'm just starting work (bless)

Adam the Thomas in the 1851 census is listed as Engineer so the 1861 follows this train of thought.

1861
Name: Hannah Aston
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Patient
Gender: Female

Civil Parish: Upton By Chester
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Registration district: Great Boughton
Sub registration district: Cathedral Division
ED, institution, or vessel: Cheshire County Lunatic Asylum

Hannah is listed as widow of engineer.

May explain why you have had problems finding Anne or Hannah ??

So if it is the same Thomas he would have passed away sometime between 1851 and 1861??

So this could be his death???
Thomas Aston
1855 Apr-May-Jun
Wirral (1837-1974) Cheshire
Volume: 8a Page: 284

thank-you very much you may on to something there

There are two births for a Hannah Aston, could not find an Anne so it is either of these, providing parents of Thomas and Hannah are correct on Certificates.

Hannah Aston
1850 Apr-May-Jun
Wirral (1837-1974)
Cheshire
Volume: 19 Page: 424

Hannah Aston
1850 Oct-Nov-Dec
Wirral (1837-1974) Cheshire
Volume: 19 Page: 316

I googled Birkenhead and the district is Wirral.

Have gone to try and find a death for Hannah Aston (1824) and see if she is on any other census, also Anne or Hannah Aston 1850.

I cannot find a Marriage yet for Hannah Hughes, still looking But think this is her on the 1841 Census, Taking into account Bury is very close to Manchester. It is just a train of thought for you to ponder.

1841
Name: Hannah Hughes
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Bury
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Bury
Sub registration district: North Bury

Name Age
Simeon Hughes 40
Ellen Hughes 40
Mary Hughes 20
Hannah Hughes 15
Ann Hughes 15
Edward Hughes 10
Sarah Hughes 6
Simeon Hughes 5
Ellen Hughes 3 Mo

Now if this is our Hannah

IGI record: Christening: 23 JUL 1826 Warrington, Lancashire, England


Parents:
Father: Simon Hughes
Mother: Ellen Hughes Possibly Ellen Glover

Possibility for 1871, not helpful

Name: Annie Astore
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Poulton Cum Seacombe
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Seacombe
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub registration district: Wallasey
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 130
Household Members: Name Age
Annie Astore 18
Archibald H Coates 2 months
Frederick M Coates 27
Frederick S M Coates 3
Margaret Coates 25
Margaret C Coates 2

Robin, I think you have her for 1871. I still cannot find her in 1861, I would think she may be with a relative somewhere.

this is a bit of a nightmare is'nt it do you think anne was really called hannah ?

Could be - I was just thinking, my great-great-great grandma who was always named as Hannah Holcroft on the census turned up in the baptism records at the local church as "Annie Oldcroft" - I suppose you can see how Annie/Anna/Hannah might be mixed up or misheard somehow.

For 1861, Ancestry has a Hannah "Ashlaw" aged 9 b Birkenhead. Looking at the image, the enumerator does add a flourish to a final letter n, so this could well be Ashton - misheard for Aston?

This 9 yr old is with an uncle, David Hughes, b Ireland.