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dogsB

dogsB Report 25 Oct 2008 02:38

i have marriage certificate under fathers name name unknow , but in brackets says daughter then word looks like [and ?????] is there any other words they would write apart from illegitimate. if you can understand my message i very tiered only time i can get to the computer thanks for ay help karon

Cheshiremaid

Cheshiremaid Report 25 Oct 2008 02:56


Possibly base-born

Linda

mgnv

mgnv Report 25 Oct 2008 02:58

Orphan? foundling?

dogsB

dogsB Report 25 Oct 2008 03:04

sorry what's base-born, is this the end of me tracing her life now thanks loads karon

mgnv

mgnv Report 25 Oct 2008 05:59

Base born means illegitimate.

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 25 Oct 2008 10:19

Did you mean marriage certificate? I have never come across illegitimate, base born etc. being on a marriage certificate. It wouldn't be necessary to put that.

MaryfromItaly

MaryfromItaly Report 25 Oct 2008 11:48

Karon, if you have a scanner, scan the certificate and upload it to a photosharing site like photobucket or flickr.com, then post the address of the page where you've put the photo on this thread.

JMW

JMW Report 31 Oct 2008 13:52

I think it says "Daughter an orphan"
Never seen that on a cert before.

dogsB

dogsB Report 31 Oct 2008 14:00

Would any body have any leads or is this now dead end search on her life before marriage karon
ps feeling disheartened

MaryfromItaly

MaryfromItaly Report 31 Oct 2008 14:05

Goodness, that's hard to read.

Might be "daughter - orphan", but that doesn't make much sense, and I've never seen it on a cert before.

I'm not even 100% sure that the first word's "daughter" - the first letter might be a capital D, but there isn't another one on the cert to compare it with.

MaryfromItaly

MaryfromItaly Report 31 Oct 2008 14:07

As she married at 19 in 1892, she should have been born around 1873. Have you found her on the 1881 or 1891 censuses?

dogsB

dogsB Report 31 Oct 2008 14:24

thanks all . Mary cant find her on 1881 .1891 but only on 1901 with husband and son,. have you any idea how i would prove and get birth certificate properly not possible? Karon

MaryfromItaly

MaryfromItaly Report 31 Oct 2008 14:45

In 1901 she gives her birthplace as Brighton.

I can't find an exactly matching birth, but I think this is a good possibility:

Births Dec 1873
Chambers Jessie Emma Reigate 2a 153

In 1881, Jessie Emma Chambers is living in Brighton with her uncle Cornelius John Hilliard and his wife Eleanor Ann, and various children and grandchildren of theirs. Eleanor has a son called Blount and her mother is called Manners, so I'm just trying to work out the relationships.

MaryfromItaly

MaryfromItaly Report 31 Oct 2008 14:47

Marriages Dec 1869
Hilliard Cornelius John Brighton 2b 339
MARTIN Eleanor Ann Brighton 2b 339

MaryfromItaly

MaryfromItaly Report 31 Oct 2008 14:52

From the IGI:

ELEANOR ANN MANNERS
Female

Event(s):
Birth: 12 MAR 1829

Christening: 03 MAY 1829 Seaford, Sussex, England

Parents:
Father: HENRY MANNERS
Mother: EMILY

From FreeBMD:

Marriages Jun 1847
Aldridge Ann Brighton 7 434
>> BLUNT William Brighton 7 434
Brigden Jane Brighton 7 434
Fowler William Brighton 7 434
Golds Emily Brighton 7 434
>> MANNERS Eleanor Ann Brighton 7 434
Shepherd Richard Brighton 7 434
SMITH Stephen John Brighton 7 434
TOWLER William Brighton 7 434

MaryfromItaly

MaryfromItaly Report 31 Oct 2008 14:56

Well, Eleanor certainly got around a bit.

Marriages Jun 1866
>> BLUNT Eleanor A Brighton 2b 405
BOTTING Thomas F Brighton 2b 405
>> Martin Charles Brighton 2b 405
Wells Mary A Brighton 2b 405

So she was born Eleanor Ann Manners, and married:
1. William Blunt
2. Charles Martin
3. Cornelius Hilliard.

Now looking for a Manners-Chambers or Hilliard-Chambers marriage.

MaryfromItaly

MaryfromItaly Report 31 Oct 2008 15:01

Ah, maybe we're getting somewhere.

Marriages Sep 1853
>> CHAMBERS William Brighton 2b 334
>> HILLAIRD Eliza Brighton 2b 334
Jackson Joseph Henry Brighton 2b 334
STORAR Sarah Brighton 2b 334

And in 1871, William and Eliza are living in Reigate, where Jessie Emma was born.

dogsB

dogsB Report 31 Oct 2008 15:09

Hi Mary could Mrs manner have had another daughter [Jessie mother] and died in birth that's why she was left with them and Jessie father left household. would it be possible to do check on address in 1874ish [elector list]. Sorry my computer knowledge very little as only started learning couple moths ago and getting on a bit in life ha ha Karon

MaryfromItaly

MaryfromItaly Report 31 Oct 2008 15:11

Possible deaths for Eliza and William (although the ages don't exactly match the ones given on the census), which would make Jessie an orphan before she married.

Deaths Jun 1886
Chambers William 45 Brighton 2b 134

Deaths Mar 1886
CHAMBERS Elizabeth 54 Brighton 2b 191

However, that doesn't explain why the father's name would be given as "unknown" on the marriage cert.

dogsB

dogsB Report 31 Oct 2008 15:12

Mary your amazing, so much info just don't know what to say Karon

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