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thank you for the information will print this off,so i dont ask the same question as i tend to forget

Here's the location stuff for Jim's 1901 census

1901 England Census
Name: Thos Bagnall Read
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Civil Parish: Wood Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: 4 Parside Villas
Registration district: Edmonton
Sub registration district: Tottenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 66
Household schedule number: 94
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Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1256; Folio: 81; Page: 13.

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Here's a transcription of the Enumerators page for ED 66 (1901) [omitting the top matter]:


Boundary of the ED
North by Parish Boundary of Southgate. East by the Middle of Wolves Lane. South by the Middle of
White Hart Lane. West by the Middle of Soutjgate Road "Called Green Lanes".

[The modern Haringey-Barnet boundary runs between and parallel to Lyndhurst Rd and Berkshire Gdns around here.
I presume the old parish boundary was the same.
This also solves Sue's problem - I presume Southgate Rd was an intermediate form before Green Lanes became the High Road around here.]

Contents of ED
Sothgate Road "Green Lanes" East Side from Southgate Parish Boundary to White Hart Lane including
Lyndhurst Road, Maryland Road, Arcadian Gardens, Sylvan Road "or Villas", Woodside Road,
Eastham Grove, Canning Cresent, Newnham Road and Kings Road, White Hart Lane "North Side"
from Sothgate Road to Wolves Lane.

Hi Blossom,i only found out yesterday thats were they lived,i have photos of some of the houses they have lived in,and this one was new to me

yes Bertie was my dad in between him and his brother were two sisters,Helen and Winnifred,but was abit surprise when Elsie came up,he devoice my g,mother in 1904,and the plot thickens as shes buried in the same grave,they did some strange things years ago .no wonder we get confused,but he was military man,he was warrent officer and sergent major of his regt,my cousin sent photo of him in full uinform,i put it on war forum and thats how i found out about him in the army,and also the first time i had seen photo of my g,father as he died in 1918

There is an Old Park Villas:

1901 England Census
Civil Parish: Southgate
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
[Marginal note - now in the new ecclesiastical parish St John the Evangelist Palmers Green
Signed by registrar and dated May 5 1901]
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: 4 Old Park Villas
Registration district: Edmonton
Sub registration district: Edmonton
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Household schedule number: 96

Ralph K Prideaux 57 Sapey, Worcestershire, England Head M Manufacturers Agent
Katharine Prideaux 57 Marylebone, London, England Wife M
Walter H Prideaux 22 Yardley, Worcestershire, England Son S Merchants Clerk
Mary C Prideaux 21 Yardley, Worcestershire, England Daughter S
Sarah Parrish 22 Smethwick, Staffordshire, England Servant S General Servant Domestic

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1268; Folio: 97; Page: 15.


I presume you already have this:

1901 England Census
Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 49 Drayton Park
Registration district: Islington
Sub registration district: Highbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Household schedule number: 310

Malcolm Morgan 29 Islington, London, England Head M Job _aster Stable (own account)
Helen Morgan 33 Manchester Wife M
Kenneth Morgan 7 Barnet, Hertfordshire, England Son
Bertie Morgan 4 Barnet, Hertfordshire, England Son
Maud D Este 20 Highbury, London, England Servant S General Servant Domestic

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 200; Folio: 87; Page: 46.

[Shares address with 2 other families]

Hi Dutch,

I have been following this thread with great interest as I come from Wood Green. I was trying to fathom out where Southgate Road was as I don't remember there being one in Wood Green. Having followed the census pages highlighted by Jim, there is reference to Maryland Road, and I think Arcadian Villas, which is now Arcadian Gardens ( one of my best friends lived there in the 1960's). I would think, although I'm obviously not sure, that Parkside Villas would have been roughly where Woodside Road is now. This is next to Woodside Park, a big park where I spent a lot of my childhood!

Sue

right i wonder what Langford HO just before 3 Parkside villas,it was what the cemetery sent me,i have most address were they lived ,but not the above mention,thank for for taking the time to try and help me

This is no. 4 Parkside Villas but cannot find no. 3 yet.
1901
Thos Bagnall Read Ann abt 1860 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Head Wood Green, Middlesex

just wonder as my grandfather was stock broker,that address above on the 1901,would it give who was living there at that time,just a thought

It's short for esquire - it's a sort of honorific that guys add after their name to give them a bit of class. Mr is a more common one.

it could be as the headstone behind his parents is white with cross on and emblem of his regtment with his name and number on,ive ask someone on on photo exchange if they could take photo of the grave in 1900,could i ask what does ESQ mean after his name,and thank you all for your help

Obviously he is only in one grave.
He seems to be mentioned on two headstones/memorials.

My guess is he's buried there (i.e., with his folks), and there's also a war memorial in the cemetery commemorating all the war dead buried there, and he's named on both that and his grave marker.

thats my grandfather but were im getting confused is he bought agrave in 1900 i think to bury his daughter,but in 1918 hes in war grave behind his parents headstone who i may add have got his name on there headstone,but how can he be buried in the grave he bought in 1900 and be in the one in 1918,im just dont no

Well done.

In Memory of
Serjeant M B MORGAN

651053, 21st Bn., London Regiment (First Surrey Rifles)
who died
on 14 November 1918

Remembered with honour
NEW SOUTHGATE CEMETERY

See:
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=364600

Also hit the certificate button and the cemetery link

thank you ,forgive me for asking but was the
Langford HO,3 parkside villas
which was in front of the southgate road
i dont think its there any more but would ike to find out

From the 1881

Civil Parish: Tottenham
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address: Southgate Rd Wood Green Coffee Tavern
Registration district: Edmonton
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1901
Address Occ Administrative
County Civil
Parish Ecclesiastical
Parish Parliamentary
Borough Rural
District Municipal
Borough Municipal
Ward
4 Parkside Villas Y Middlesex Wood Green St Michaels Tottenham Wood Green

thanks Jayne,just got to try and figure these graves out now
Dutch

Southgate Road is in the north of London, in an area called Cannonbury, near Shoreditch. It's quite an old area of London but doubt the actual buidling still exists, as a result of re-development