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Hello, Can anyone tell me how they would go about working out this quandry.

My great grandfather was named Alfred Skinner - He died in 1941 aged 47 in Mile End London. He married in 1917 at the age of 25. When you do the math it doesn't work out right for his birth date. There is a two year difference. I need to find his family and have looked through the archives and i have four possible matches. Can anyone advise me my next course of action because i do not know how i would possibly narrow it down further.

really depends what time of the year he was born /married/ died. he could have just had a birthday or be in between. or just coming up to a birthday. Plus of course the age reg on death is only as relevant as the informant thinks they know .

You could try ordering the certificates but stipulate Father's name (as taken from his marriage certificate) as a checkpoint. I know this would still cost money and would be far from foolproof but at least it could narrow down the search a little.

Gail.

Louise,

If you did a search on the 1901 census, he would be aged about 6 years, its more than likely he was living with his parents.

You could check his father's name (from the marriage cert) and then take it from there.

The 1901 census would give you his place of birth.

Hope that helps,
Annette

People often lied about their age on marriage certificates. It could be that he made himself look older or younger, depending on the age of his bride.

There was a 19 year age difference between my grandparents. When they married he was 42 (he said he was 39). She was 23 (she said she was 28).
Suddenly the age difference is only 11 years!!!

Kath. x

Perhaps if you could tell us his fathers name someone maybe able to check the 1901 census for you

Hi thanks for your tips everybody i will give them a go.

His father's name was Alfred Skinner too but i don't know his mother's name. In 1917 his father's profession was a boot clicker.

Who were the witnesses on the marriage certificate? Any chance one might have been a sibling of his? That would help find them in the 1901.

Hi, No the witnesses are the brides family.

What was the date of death in 1941?

What was the date of the marriage in 1917?

(I'm trying to narrow down the possible birth year)

Jill

Just incase.
Alfred Thomas Skinner 1872 Northamptonshire occ boot clicker
Lucy Alice wife1871 Northamptonshire
Horace Alfred son 1898 Abington Northamptionshire
Joseph Reginald Cory 1882 Harpole Northhamptonshire

address 11 Wantage Rd Abington Northampton

It appears that the one above didn't marry until 1924.


Births Jun 1898 (>99%)
Skinner Horace Alfred Northampton 3b 50

Marriages Sep 1924 (97%
Skinner Horace A Cobb Northampton 3b 71

Christine

Reading back through -- am I missing something?

*Whom* did he marry in 1917??

If you know he was your great-grandfather, Louise, don't you know who your great-grandmother was?

Of course you do! You have the marriage certificate. Have you said her name somewhere here and I've missed it?

It is certainly some time between 1901 and 1917, but knowing who she was (and her father's name) might be of some help in finding him.

Is this the marriage in Q3 1917

Alfred Skinner spouse Beach Mile End

Death Jan 1941

Christine

Louise confirms:

Alfred Skinner married Maud Lilian Beach.

Maud's father was Alfred Beach.

So this is Maud.

Name: Maud Lilian Beach
Year of Registration: 1898
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Mile End Old Town
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 533

1901:

Name: Maud Beach
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Alfred
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Female
Where born: Mile End, London, England


Just to place her in time and space.

So it's the birth for Alfred Skinner around 1892-1895, place unknown but later events are Mile End.

There eight London area birth registrations for the timeframe and a few for more far flung parts.

Wonder if anything from WW1 records might help narrow the search?

Glen

Louise has given me the dates of the marriage and the death.

So - marriage was 10 Sep 1917 and he was 25.

Death was 19 March 1941 and he was 47.

Working on the assumption that it was his birthday the day before, and the after the above events I calculate that based on the marriage he would have been born between 11 Sep 1891 and 9 Sep 1893. Based on the date of death he would have been born between 20 Mar 1893 and 18 Mar 1895.

Assuming (dangerous I know) that ages at both events were accurate - he would have been born between 20 Mar 1893 and 9 Sep 1893.

It is possible to ask GRO to conduct a search for that period (they can search for a three year period) so maybe a search based on mid July 1893 for 18 months either side might be logical?

Hope this helps

Jill

Hi Katheryn, yes that is my great grandmother - and she married Alfred on 10th September 1917

Hi Glen and Jill thanks for the info - i will look into it all - yes in later years Alfred was living in Mile End - How do i get to look into WW1 records?? where do i need to go?

Sorry to be a pain and i appreciate everyone helping me - Thanks again everybody xxx