Genealogy Chat

Kathlyn

One thought....

This may be a re registration under the 1927 Legitimacy Act.

If I have read your thread correctly she was originally registed in her mother's name and her parents then married. If that is right then she, or her parents could have applied for her birth to be legitimised.

The full certificate will show if this is the case.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~framland/acts/1926legitAct.htm

Chris

Can I say a big THANK YOU, for all the input members have given to my problem, it is so very much appreciated.

Thanks,

Kathlyn

as Sadies was reg as Barnes.mmn same,,
possible .??
Willson George C /Barnes Doris, marriage.

1928..Islington,
Oct /Dec,,,
1b--571.

Sadie Barnes surname looks to be changed to Willson after her mothers marriage.

perhaps other eyes may see something else,?

Alfred was born 1914 in Germany. He came to the US in 1927.

Rose

Name: Sadie Frohna
SSN: 388-28-3606
Last Residence: 53214 Milwaukee, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, United States of America
Born: 29 Aug 1924
Last Benefit: 53214 Milwaukee, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, United States of America
Died: Jul 1983
State (Year) SSN issued: Wisconsin

Rose

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Sadie Frohna
Name: Sadie Frohna
Arrival Date: 8 Apr 1946
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1925
Age: 21
Ship Name: Holbrook
Search Ship Database: Search the Holbrook in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 7
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_7086
Page Number: 131

Rose

thats it..LL ,,it WILLSON>>not WILSON<<<<<

Willson Sadie to Alfred N FROHNA Edmonton April / June 1945

Its all the same person..

Sadie Barnes mmn Barnes , July/Sept.>>that why it was hand written in 1924,,,,,,to show the amendment,,,,,,,,had taken place in 1929,,,,,she was name changed to Wilson but it also shows under WILLSON 1924 with mothers as Barnes,,
GRO mixup ?

I don't see a marriage for a Sadie Wilson in 1945.

Rose

Did she move to the US? I can look for her over there.

Rose

Potty,

That does make sense, as my friend did say that Lene had not been registered, but I do have a copy of a "small" birth cert issued by Islington RO. I have sent off for a full copy of this cert.

Maybe, my friend thought it was her mother who was not registered but infact it was her aunt Sadie.

What would have been the penalty for such a late registration, ie. 5 years?

I am unable to find a registration for the eldest child Eileen, but will search again.

Your info has given me a new route to go down, many thanks to you Potty and to all you others. You are all GEMS.

Kathlyn

she may not have been here but in Ireland,,,?as all three girls,,,Eileen,Sadie and Lena are commonly used names among est the Irish famlies,,,,,

did you find Wilson and Barnes marriage,??

This is from freebmds transcribers knowledge base:

I have came across the following manuscript addition to the typed page Tarrant Leslie I Of Wight 2b Dec/1926. What does “Dec/1926” mean and how I can load this particular entry?
These “see later date” entries are important; they are for people who were registered late. The surname, forenames, districts and volume numbers usually follow the set pattern but the page number contains a reference to a different date and/or page number e.g. “see Jun/35”, “D/1035”, “see /22”, etc

So, it looks as if Sadie's birth was not registered when it should have been but was registered in 1929 (possibly at the same time as the other child.) Do you have the registration for the eldest, Eileen?

Kay,

I agree with you re. needing official documents to enter the States, but I am unable to find her using the dob of 29th August 1924, she gave on her USA papers

I have searched under Wilson, which was her fathers surname, and had no luck, but for her to have been given permission to marry an American without proof of age etc. she must have been registered.

As I said in an earlier message, her sister lena was registered in December 1929, and they were not twins.

It is back to the drawing board.

Kathlyn

I would say that Sadie was bn to Miss Barnes and then used the Wilson married surame of the husband,,,,she wouldnt have been able to lie about her age as she would need a visa,passport,and imigration papers,,all would even then carry DOB,,,,,,

Just checked that out and there is a Sadie Barnes registered in JFM Holborn 1929........I will have to go back to my friend and see if she knows anything that could shed some light on this.

Sadies` mother died in 1931 leaving 3 girls, Eileen who was the eldest, Sadie, who gave her birth year as 1924, but who was possibly re-registered in 1929, and lena, the one I have a small birth cert for, who was born in 1929.

Many thanks for your time and efforts guys, it is very much appreciated.

kathlyn

Sounds like she lied about her age to marry the GI, making herself 21 instead of 16.

Yes, she is registered in JFM 1929, MMN Barnes.

Hi Gwyn,

I am searching in a pot of treacle as this is the tree I am doing for a friend. The Sadie I am looking for should be Sadie Wilson. When she married a GI in 1945 she gave her dob as 29th August 1924.

I have been unable to find the name Wilson so thought I would look under the mothers maiden name which was Barnes.

This is how I found the hand written entry.

The next child after Sadie was registered under the name of Wilson in 1929, and I do have that cert.

Not sure what the procedure is for the change of name for a child, if in fact it is re-registered!!!!

Kathlyn