Genealogy Chat

Is it possible that records of births and marriages could be completely missing from the index.

I am trying to find births for Henry Holloway born c1881 and Albert Alfred Holloway born c1884. On the 1891 Census both give their place of birth as Victoria Dock (London). In addition I am trying to find the marriage of their parents Alfred Holloway and Elizabeth Bowers c1880 which I suspect could be in the same area.

Any advice gratefully received.

Thank you, Marion

I should have mentioned that I've searched, Ancestry, Find My Past, Freebmd.

Thank you

Marion

Possible?

Name: Henry Holloway
Year of Registration: 1881
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Hackney
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 606

Thanks Sam, certainly a possibility and if only a possible Albert Alfred could be found then I'll invest some money in them.

Thank you

Marion

Victoria Dock or could it be Victoria Park which is in Hackney?

Thanks Joy, I've tried that but unfortunately I believe that Elizabeth was possibly born Puckbauer and has just used the end of her surname. She is proving a very elusive lady to track down as well as the marriage and the first couple of children. They certainly don't make life easy for us!!!

Marion

Thanks Janet and Mick. I've just checked the original census image and it's definitely Victoria Dock and the Canning Town area makes sense.

Marion

1891 is this the family ?

Name: Alfred Holloway
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Alfred
Mother's Name: Esther
Gender: Male
Where born: Victoria Dock, London, England

Civil Parish: Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish: Stepney St Dunstans Church
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Holloway 31 Old Ford, London
Alfred Holloway 7
Esther Holloway 28 Stepney
Henry Holloway 10
Lizzie Holloway 6
William Holloway 8/12



Is this the wrong family as she is called Esther?

Thanks Glitter, yes that's the right family and oops should have mentioned that Elizabeth sometimes appears to have called herself Esther as well as managing to be 28 years of age on 3 census. She remarried in 1902 and on the marriage certificate states that she is 28, single and her surname is Bruce. I know its the right one from who her husband is and the address. I think she altered the facts to fit her circumstances. Very helpful!!!

Marion

1881 same family?

Name: Alfred Holloway
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Bethnel Green

Civil Parish: Hamlet
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 25 Globe Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Cellarman

Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Holloway 21
Elizabeth Holloway 28 Malden, Essex
Elizth. Holloway

Yes Glitter, right again. Now have a look at the 1901 census and look at the 2 lodgers that are staying there. Do they look familiar?

Marion

It does say Victoria Dock. Shame it wasn't Park though 'cos that would fit with Henry born Hackney. I wonder if they didn't marry. It would have been easy enough to get away with in that area. (My great gran never married her second husband)

I wonder if Alfred senior worked with my Daniel Archer. He was a Potman living very near Globe Road. He's the reason I thought of Victoria park he lived there before living in Bow. (I used to work in Bow and take the kids I looked after to the Lido at Victoria park)

This is the same family on the 1901 Census. Henry and Alfred Brome show as being lodgers but their place of birth is Victoria Dock!! Elizabeth has changed back to Elizabeth again after being Esther 10 years previously and now says she was born in Canning Town. Previously it was Maldon, Essex and then Stepney. (sigh) I really think I will have to give it up as a lost cause.

Name: Elizabeth Holloway
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: 1862
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Alfred
Gender: Female
Where born: Canning Town, London, England

Civil Parish: Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter Stepney
Town: Mile End Old Town
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub registration district: Mile End, Old Town, Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 42
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 320
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Holloway 40
Elizabeth Holloway 39
Elizabeth Holloway 15
William Holloway 11
Dorothy Holloway 5
Herbert Holloway 3
Alfred Brome 19
Henry Brome 20
Horace Holloway 1

Janet, it would be nice to think that they perhaps worked together. I have no idea what pubs he worked in though.

Thank you everyone.

Marion

Daniel also changed his age, in his case he "lost" a few years each census. Probably something to do with his second wife being 15 years younger!

Funnily enough on another branch of my tree I have family who run a pub a Globe road.