Genealogy Chat

hi thought i would let you know that i have comfirmed that these people are my ancesters, thankyou for your help.Linda

Thanks i will let you know when they arrive. linda

Hope those certificates prove very helpful.

Best wishes
Sue

hello, margaret&sue,
I am so sorry for not coming back to you before but i have been away,and never had acsess to a computer. thankyou both so much for your help.
i am sorry that i didn't explain myself prperly at first about who i was looking for but have now sent for his certs to confirm. thanks again for all your hard work. it is greatly appricated. linda

This looks the likely marriage as there is a Harriet on the same page.

Marriages Sep 1852
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Austin Samuel Stoke D
5b 567

Barnacott Elizabeth Stoke D
5b 567

Fisher Harriet Louisa Stoke Damerel
5b 567

Smith Ann East Stonehouse
5b 567

Whish Charles William Francis Stoke Damerel
5b 567




Sue

Samuel Austin died Sep. Q, 1882, Plymouth, age 52. (5b 156)

1891 census
45 Claremont Rd., Plymouth
Harriet Austin, head, widow, 43, laundress, born Ashburton, Devon
Sydney H., son, 18, errand boy
Joseph S., son 15, errand boy
Alfred J., son, 14, errand boy
Charles A., son, 12, errand boy
Ernest S., son, 9, scholar
Children all born Plymouth.

1871 census
8 Willow Plot, Plymouth
Samuel Austin, head, 41, labourer, born Plymouth
Harriet, wife, 25, born Asburton, Devon
Ernest E., son, 1, born Plymouth

1881 census
2 & 3 Morley Lane, Plymouth
Samuel Austin, head, 51, no occupation on account of ill health
Harriet, wife, 34
Sydney H., son, 8, scholar
J. Scott, son, 5, scholar
Alfred I., son, 4, scholar
Charles A., son, 2
All born Plymouth.

Right!
So Samuel is actually your 2x great grandfather!

That's better.

So let's get this straight.
Samuel Austin was born about 1830. You won't get a certificate for his birth because registration didn't start until 1837. I presume you worked out his birth year from censuses. These may be inaccurate.
Can you tell us all you know about Samuel and where he lived? Someone may be able to find him in parish registers.

Sue
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I am so sorry i have just checked cert's again.
My Grandfather was Ernest Herbert Austin born 1897
His father was Sydney herbert Austin born 1873(gr gr father) then his father was Sanuel Austin born 1830 i do appoligise.and i have their cert's all but Samuel's at present. linda

Sorry i have these birth cert's and marriage cert's. so what i will try and do now is to get samuels birth and marriage is that right.linda

i have cert's of my mother father he was ernest herbert Austin born in plymouth 13.march 1897. then i traced and ordered his father's birth cert and he was sidney herbert Austin born 1873 And on his marriage cert it gave me his fathers name as samuel Austin (deceased) i thought thats how i was suppose to do it.linda

I'm afraid I'm with Reggie on this one.

This is all too circumstantial and the names too common for you to make the assumptions you have done.

Your dates don't fit.

Your first posting said

these are who i am looking for;john Austin birth abt:1767. and his wife:abt 1770. i know they had children, in 1851 census.there names were jonah austin 28. samuel austin 21 and emily austin who was 10.in these census john 69 and his wife was 63.

If John had been 69 in 1851 he was born in 1782 NOT in 1767. If his wife had been born in 1770 then she was 60 years old when Samuel was born and she'd have been in her 70s when his sister Emily was born!!!!!

Now I don't know how old you are but I'm in my mid 50s and my grandparents were born around 1900. My great grandparents were all born in the 1860s. Like Reggie I seriously doubt that your grandparents were born as early as the 1830s.

I suggest you start from scratch and get definite proof for each stage. You cannot assume that people (even with the right names) are yours.

I was in contact once with a person who had an ancestor in her tree with the right name (not a common one), right age and right place of birth. It matched one of my ancestral aunts even down to having a daughter of the right name. BUT we later discovered that there were two unrelated women with the same name and year of birth living within streets of each other in the same city. My contact wasn't my cousin as we had first thought.

You need certificates to prove the more recent generations.

Sue

How have you reached the conclusion that these people are your ancestors?

Have you started with yourself and followed the trail back through the generations?

I still can't agree with the idea that your grandfather was born in 1830.................

Samuel age in the 1881 census was fifty one years. and harriet was thirty four years.

Samuel's wife was called harriet this was in 1881 census: Samuel Austin birth abt 1830
Harriet Austin birth abt 1847
children were:sydney herbert Austin 1873
j.scott Austin 1876 Alfred Austin 1877 and Charles
Austin and harriet was widow in 1891 census.
all born in plymouth devon except harriet don't knoe where she was born to be honest. linda

You need to start at the 'end'..........and work backwards...........

Who was Samuel's wife? What were the names of his children.

Forgive me, but I doubt very much that your grandfather was Samuel born 1830...........the maths just doesn't work!!!!

Thank you Reggie and Sue in Somerset for all the help you have given me, i will now try and find their births and marriage details then i can send for cert's to confirm wether or not they are in my tree.
thankyou sooo much linda

The only reason i have for thinking they stayed in englamd is because my grandfather did and was samuel born 1830 in plymouth, then he married and had his family there, so really i have no other proof than that to be honest reggie.
linda