Genealogy Chat

Have my great granddads birth cert. with his mothers name Mary Jane Hill and the residence Well Hole Cottage Ferryhill registered in 1874. Am now trying to find out about Mary but can find nothing can anyone point me in the direction to look.His father was named as William Scruton (groom) but dont think they were married. On his marriage cert his father was named as John Hill (gardener).
Any help would be nice as i have really hit the BRICK WALL.
thanks
Kath Gellatly

The name of the person born 1874 would be useful.

Have you managed to trace them on any census?

Where is Ferryhill? Durham?

Sorry glitter baby, the person born in 1874 was William Sargeant Hill 21 january .
Ferryhill is in Durham England.
Can trace William on census but not Mary.

oh dear I see what you mean

1881 just for info
Name: William S. Hill
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Orphan
Gender: Male
Where born: Ferry Hill, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Ferryhill
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address: Well House
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Stockton
Sub registration district: Sedgefield
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William S. Hill 7
Hannah Robinson 65
William Robinson 70

on 1871 these are the Mary Janes Hills in Durham
Mary Jane Hill abt 1838 Cornwall, England Head Coxhoe, Durham
View Record

Mary Jane Hill abt 1857 Consett, Durham, England Visitor Ebchester, Durham
View Record

Mary Jane Hill abt 1848 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Servant Newton Cap, Durham
View Record

Mary Jane Hill Charles,
Ellen Mary abt 1865 Durham, England Daughter St Giles, Durham
View Record

Mary J Hill John,
Sarah abt 1868 Gateshead, Durham, England Daughter Gateshead, Durham
View Record

Mary J Hill John W abt 1849 Allendale, Northumberland, England Wife Haswell, Durham
View Record

Mary J Hill George abt 1848 Malton, Yorkshire, England Wife Middlesborough, Durham
View Record

Mary J Hill John,
Jane abt 1870 Middlesborough, Yorkshire, England Daughter Middlesborough, Durham

You can rule out the married ones (as he took his mother's name) and the children younger than 13/ 14.

of the rest- do any bells ring?
What are Hannah and William Robinson? Why did they take in an orphan? Are they relatives or neighbours of his mother?
The man names on his marriage cert is possibly his grandfather. (it was shameful to be ilegitimate) or possibly made up but do any of the Mary Janes above have a father John who is a groom?

needles and haystacks!

thanks Nicola sorry been away all week, not sure who Hannah and William Robinson are, is there any way you can find out about orphans. the Mary J Hill 1865 is one i have been looking at, but this sounds silly how will i know if she is the one
Kathy

Well Hole Cottage is district 15 in the 1871.

A brewery and farming estate. Most households were farmers, some had fairly large areas of land and employed servants and farmhands.

Looks like the Robinsons ages could be out in the 1881, 1871 shows them nearby to Well Hole and William is a platelayer on the railways.

Orphan children; could be that Mary died or simply moved away and left the child with the Robinson family. I have a few like that in my tree, the mother marries and her illegitimate kids aren't accepted by the new hubby, she therefore has to leave them with family or friends.

Glen

thanks glen were did you find the district for wellhole.
Johnathon it does not have any other name on the birth certificate, you have cetainly given me something to go on thankyou both. Not sure were to go though but thats what makes it si interesting.

I wonder if the middle name of Sargeant might be a help?

I'd guess that might be the maiden name of a grandmother.

Sue

did not think of that one Sue cheers, worth checking

1881

John H. Hill
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Step Son
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Brandon, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Esh
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address: Ushaw Moor
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Lanchester
Sub registration district: Lanchester
ED, institution, or vessel: 10b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Bainbridge 4
John Bainbridge 38
Joseph R. Bainbridge
Mary Ann Bainbridge 40 b Cornwall
Roger Bainbridge 6
Mary Barry 16
John H. Hill 11
Nicholas Hill 14
Thomas Hill 16
William H. Hill 18

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4947; Folio: 42; Page: 80; Line: ; GSU roll: 1342189.


marriage

Mary Jane Hill/John Bainbridge
Year of Registration: 1873
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Durham (1837-1938)
County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 728

and Roger's birth

Roger Bainbridge
Year of Registration: 1874
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Durham (1837-1938)
County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 494

so this Mary Jane isn't William Sargeant Hill's mother

Andy

Fruit bat

There is a way to check the description for a district on Ancestry.

Ferry Hill has three districts (13, 14 and 15). Each district description names the roads within the district, i simply checked each one till Well Hole was found, this told me which district. Then comes the hard bit..........

You have to check the district page by page till you find the road/street/building needed. In this case it was image 25 of 27.

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A handy screenshot visual guide is on the wiki of the FTF site;

The main census page is at;
http://www.familytreeforum.com/wiki/index.php/Census_Search

Finding the images from a parish (as i did above) at;
http://www.familytreeforum.com/wiki/index.php/Finding_images_from_a_particular_parish

There are a few other guides that can be useful too and if you can "Find Martha" let me know, even using all the tricks i put in the articles she is still missing in 1871.

Glen

Back on topic;

Another thibg that might point to Mary Jane being born in Cornwall, lots of the Cornish tin mining families moved north to work in the coalmines, lots of the images i checked had coal mining families listed.

Glen

thanks glen wouldnt that be something if she was cornish as that is were i live now,thanks for all being so helpful

Did nobody read my previous post??

The Mary Jane born in Cornwall was not William Sargeant's mother.

Andy :-(((((

yes i did read your post