Genealogy Chat

Been doing this 18 months now and quite happy to get 6 out of 8 gg parent's lines back a few generations.

But really stuck with the last 2, down to common surnames I suppose so any help most grateful, to get me going again.

Need info on GGrand mother's line and anyone before her.
This is what I have:

Hannah Davies born abt 1886 - Father David Davies born abt 1860
(Hannah could have sisters called Catherine (Katie) and Gladys from what my mum recalls)

Hannah married Robert Jones on 11 Mar 1911 at Chester Reg Office.

They went on to have 4 children and lived their married life in Prestatyn North Wales.

Anything most grateful

Susie

What does the marriage cert say about Harriet's father's occupation?

Reg

Reg

He's a wheelwright !

These are the results in 1901 for David Davies/Wheelwright

David Davies 24 Carmarthen Llanfairarybryn Llanfairarybryn Carmarthenshire Carpenter And Wheelwright
David Davies 66 Carmarthen Llanfairarybryn Llanfairarybryn Carmarthenshire Carpenter And Wheelwright
David Davies 16 Carm Llanfihangel Ar Arth Llanllawddog Carmarthen Wheelwright
David Davies 20 Denbigh Cefn Cefn Entire Denbighshire Wheelwright
David Davies 21 Carmarthen Cilycwm Cilycwm Carmarthen Wheelwright
David Davies 23 Denbigh Ruthin Denbighshire Wheelwright
David Davies 24 Carmarthen Cilycwm Cilycwm Carmarthen Wheelwright
David Davies 26 Denbigh Llanfair Llandrillo Yn Rhos Denbigh Wheelwright
David Davies 51 Connah Quay Montgom Wrexham Regis Denbighshire Wheelwright
David J Davies 18 Merioneth Llanuwchlyn Brithdir Islawrdref Merioneth Wheelwright
David T Davies 20 Carmarthen Cilrhedyn East Kilrhedyn Carmarthen Wheelwright
David Davies 54 Cardigan Lampeter Cilycwm Carmarthen Wheelwright
David Davies 51 Cardigan Llanbadarn Vaenor Upper Cardiganshire Wheelwright

Reg

Reg

Thanks any chance you could look up the four that are in there 50's/60's on the census to see any children's names?

Regards

nudge for anyone still up

Who were the witnesses to the marriage?

Rose

Name: David Davies
Age in 1901: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Llanbadarn, Cardiganshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Vainor Upper
Ecclesiastical parish: Llanbadarn Vawr
County/Island: Cardiganshire
Country: Wales

Registration district: Aberystwth
Sub-registration district: Aberystwth
ED, institution, or vessel: 11

Household schedule number: 60
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur Davies 19
David Davies 51
Elizabeth M Davies 12
Mary Davies 49
Susanah M Davies 9

and the fourth look-up requested:

Name: David Davies
Age in 1901: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Anne
Gender: Male
Where born: Lampeter, Cardiganshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Cilycwm
Ecclesiastical parish: Cilycwm St Michael
County/Island: Carmarthenshire
Country: Wales

Registration district: Llandovery
Sub-registration district: Cilycwm
ED, institution, or vessel: 4

Household schedule number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Anne Davies 50
David Davies 54
David Davies 24
David Davies 21
Maggie Davies 21

It looks as if the 1911 census entry is going to be needed in this case!

If you have an exact address from the marriage certificate you can do a 1911 address look-up request - at a fee of around £45 or so - the census will be more generally available around 2009 ish (phased release, pricing details not yet available?).

Thanks to you all for your look ups, dosn't look like I have a match does it.

Knew this was going to be difficult with a name like Davies.

The witnesses on the wedding cert were W J Mather and Elizabeth Mather.

The address for Hannah on her wedding cert is 28 Prescott Street Hoole.

Does mean I have to look up in the English census ?

Hi Susie,

- a possible W J Mather in 1901? He is an apprentice carpenter (his father also a carpenter).

Name: William J Mather
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert J
Mother's Name: Amelia
Gender: Male
Where born: Runcorn, Flintshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Runcorn
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Runcorn
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Registration district: Runcorn
Sub-registration district: Runcorn
ED, institution, or vessel: 4

Household schedule number: 182
Household Members:
Name Age
Amelia Mather 43
Florence A Mather 17
Mary E Mather 7
Robert J Mather 48
Robert J T Mather 14
William J Mather 12

I see that Hoole is now a suburb of Chester (north east side), so that does look like England, yes.

Btw, no Gladys or Katie, but this Hannah's father David living on the Welsh side of Chester is a joiner:

Name: Hannah Davies
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: David
Mother's Name: Rebeccah
Gender: Female
Where born: Nerquis, Flintshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Nerquis
Ecclesiastical parish: Nerquis
Town: Penypon
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales

Registration district: Holywell
Sub-registration district: Mold
ED, institution, or vessel: 21

Household Members:
Name Age
David Davies 31
Elizabeth Davies 7
Hannah Davies 5
Rebeccah Davies 24
Ruth Davies 0
Edward Jones 26

Ivy

Thx that looks quite interesting, sorry what is Btw?

Sorry, saw it used the other day, and it has been rattling around in my head since then....

btw- by the way (as in, just one of those odd facts which are likely not to be connected, but might be worth keeping just in case for the future...)

Ivy

Any chance you could look at the last entry and see if any Mather's are neighbours ?

Hi Susie

Ref for the image is:

Class: RG12; Piece: 4610; Folio 155; Page 3

Sorry, no mention of any individual named Mather in piece 4610.

However, repeating the exercise for 1901 provides -

Name: William Mather
Age in 1901: 69
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Douglas, Isle of Man, Isle of Man

Civil Parish: Mold
Ecclesiastical parish: Gwernafield
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales

Registration district: Holywell
Sub-registration district: Mold
ED, institution, or vessel: 18

Household schedule number: 52
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Mather 69 wife b Runcorn
Annie E Mather 38 unm dau b Runcorn
Emily Mather 25 unm dau b St Budworth Cheshire
Walter Mather 8 g-son b Scarborough, York
William Mather 69 rtd builder

Class: RG13; Piece: 5213; Folio: 113; Page: 6

The Davies family are at:

Class: RG13; Piece: 5213; Folio: 156; Page: 12:

Name: Rebecca Davies
Age in 1901: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: David
Gender: Female
Where born: Nerquis, Flintshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Nerquis
Ecclesiastical parish: Nerquis
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales

Registration district: Holywell
Sub-registration district: Mold
ED, institution, or vessel: 21

Household schedule number: 76
Household Members:
Name Age
David Davies 41
Margaret Davies 1
Mary Davies 2
Rebecca Davies 35
Robert S Davies 9
Ruth Davies 10

Not sure that this is helpful - and not sure what to suggest next....

Ivy

Thx for that I've been looking again myself tonight. No Hannah on the 1901 despite the fact she is only abt 15.

I have found the marriage record for David & Rebecca but still can not be certain they are the parents of my Hannah.

Been trying to look at births for Hannah Davies around 1885/6 but of course does not give mothers maiden name, again couldn't be certain unless I order a shed load of certs.

So frustrating !!

I'm not sure where to go now....

HI Susie,

How about finding the electoral roll info for Prescott Street Hoole? I'll see if I can find a library tel no or email for Chester/Hoole.

Aha,

Good map here showing where the libraries are - there is one in Hoole.

http://www.cheshire.gov.uk/Library/library_map.htm