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Have to call it a day now, hubby is home from work and wants feeding. Nan night Julie

To top it all, I dont have him on the 51 either. I thought I did but it turns out to be just his father and Step mother,(yes he had one too), and his only other surviving brother. This has to be the longest saga ever.

Your not kidding Julie. Enough to drive anyone insane. Lets hope you can find a way of proving it is him. Looks likely with him being missing doesn't it. Germaine x

Germaine, I think they are the same patients. on the 61 he was supposedly born leek, in hospital in Shelton, Hanley. On the 71 born shelton. If this is him who would blame him with his family background.

Hi Julie Don't think he is still there is 71 this was the only RL and he was a potter china glazer. R L Age: 34 Estimated birth year: abt 1837 Relation: Inmate Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Shelton Civil Parish or Township: Hopton and Coton and Stafford St Mary Town: Hopton and Coton County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address: View Image Condition as to marriage: View Image Education: View Image Employment status: View Image Occupation: View Image Source information: RG10/2818 Registration district: Stafford Sub-registration district: Stafford ED, institution, or vessel: County Lunatic Asylum Folio: 86 Germaine

Leek is close by and Hanley is even nearer. There is no reason to mistake leek for Madeley so I dont know if this is him. Is he still there on the 71.

This is the one I found. Just looked at the image. I don't think it is Leck it is Leek!!. But his occupation is a farm labourer R L Age: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1838 Relation: Patient Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Leck, Staffordshire, England Civil parish: Shelton Ecclesiatical parish: Etruria Town: Hanley County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Germaine

The only Leck I can find is in Lancs. I can not see any reason for him being there. His occu[ation on the 81 is carter!

Hi Germaine, He has not been found on the 61 or 71. I have not heard of Leck so I can not answer your question. He could be anywhere, in fact I was thinking of looking abroad after tea. He may have emigrated and then come back again. I will look up Leck to see where it is

Hiyah Sorry I disapeared, mind you don't think I could have kept up with you all. Would really have got all the names mixed up. So I take it you are still looking for Richard in 1861. Could he have been ill in a hospital. Is Leck? near Madeley there is a RL in an infirmary there. Germaine x

Sorry Tracy, I was trying to map out. You found Martha on the 71 married to a Thomas Lewis. I just found the marriage in 68. Lewis marries a Lewis which is why there is no other surname on her second Marriage. Bmd has a death in 73 so she did not hang around for long. I am about to try and find out who he is. Yes I occaisionaly use Rootschat. Unlike here, I do not always get a reply.

Do you have access to Rootschat? Might be an idea to enlist the help of people with CDs.

I still can't find your Richard in 1861 or 1871 lol Wish I could wave a magic wand :) Do you want either of these instead? lol Richard Clay abt 1837 Madeley, Staffordshire, England Brother Swynnerton Staffordshire Richard Peake abt 1836 Madeley, Staffordshire, England Head Fazeley Staffordshire

Unfortunatly no. Its not the only one I have to look up for this parish.

Yes. I am in the process of trying to map it all out. By the way, an alternative spelling has sometimes been leya, something to do with the accent I think

Does your library have Norton in the Moors records? You should check that marriage out, since it's not direct from records. Wouldn't suprise me in the least though lol

So let me see if I got this right... Richard and Elizabeth had Richard who married Martha and they had Richard who married Ann Ashley who had Richard Ashley Lear So they are all related after all :) lol - this thing just keeps going in circles! I guess it must've been a close community!

Tracy, You are not going to beleive this. There is marriage for Richard Lear 1810 Norton in the moors. He marries a Martha LEWES, YES, THATS RIGHT........ LEWES

I HAVE GOT HER. born 17 may 1812 in Keele. Less than a mile from Madeley. I feel like I am going round in circles. I mentioned her parents before, its Richard and Martha. Now I know where to look for there marriage, which I could not find. She also has a sister Anne born 1814.

They also have children Martha in 49 henry in 52 and Emma 56. Did not know of William and Sam. Its not a cup of tea I owe you, more like a lot of large brandies.