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That's extremely helpful Alviegal and goes partway to explaining the Loudon connection. Many thanks. Cx

Original post states Jack was born 12th April 1921, so how does the birth of a Jack Bell in 1929 fit in?

If William gave accurate age when he married, he was born before Q3 of 1893 .

Sorry - Jack was born 1929.

A gravestone in Leigh cemetery has the following names on it:

1891 Annie Morton Loudon aged 3 daughter of John and Sarah Ann Loudon.

1921 Sarah Ann Loudon

1940 John Loudon aged 80

1944 Albert Bell aged 24

1956 William Loudon aged 83

1999 Elding Bell aged 83

Tomorrow is another day. Cx

As the two Bells are buried with Loudons it's reasonable to assume that they were related, and the MMN for Jack matches theirs.............................


For confirmation.........couldn't find it until the correct year was provided

First name(s) Jack
Last name Bell
Mother's last name Rigg
Birth year 1929
Archive reference N-2-147
Birth date 1929
Folio 127
Baptism year 1929
Entry number 35
Place Wellington
Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras
Presidency Madras
Record set British India Office Births & Baptisms
Country India
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Father's last name Bell

Name Elding Bell
Military Rank Sergeant, Roayl Corps of Signals
War World War II
Publication Date 28 Dec 1945
Publication Place London, England
Volume Number 37412
Refence Number 37412
Page number 0275


Name Elding Bell
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar 1950
Registration district Richmond.............Includes CATTERICK ( if he was still serving)
Inferred County Yorkshire North Riding
Spouse Joy E Bone
Volume Number 1b
Page number 1794



Lance Bombardier Albert Bell
Birth 1919
Death 7 Jul 1944 (aged 24–25)
BurialLeigh Cemetery
Leigh, Metropolitan Borough of Wigan, Greater Manchester, England
Plot Sec. 27. Grave B. 14.
Memorial ID 32712801 ·

Additional to my earlier post

Annie's marriage record says her father was James Rigg, deceased.

Just a suggestion -

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Annie Rigg
in the 1911 England Census
Name Annie Rigg
Age in 1911 16
Estimated Birth Year abt 1895
Gender Female
Birth Place Staveley, Westmorland, England
Civil parish Dewsbury
County/Island Yorkshire-West Riding
Country England
Street Address 25 Wood Hill Batley Carr Dewsbury
Occupation Dry Cleaner
Registration District Number 503
Sub-registration district Dewsbury
ED, institution, or vessel 24
Piece 27317
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Rebecca Jane Sharpe 52 Head
Dinah Rigg 20
Annie Rigg 16
Selina Lillian Rigg 13
George Henry Shorpe 11
Maggie Sharpe 8


Rebecca's first marriage:

Marriages Dec 1882 (>99%)
Redmayne Rebecca Jane Kendal 10b 1029
Rigg James Kendal 10b 1029 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

James's death:

RIGG, JAMES 34
GRO Reference: 1892 J Quarter in KENDAL Volume 10B Page 420


Second marriage:

Marriages Jun 1899 (>99%)
Rigg Rebecca Jane Kendal 10b 1450
Sharp George Kendal 10b 1450



RIGG, ANNIE mmn REDMAYNE
GRO Reference: 1894 S Quarter in KENDAL Volume 10B Page 688

RIGG, SELINA LILIAS mmn REDMAYNE
GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in KENDAL Volume 10B Page 743

SHARPE, GEORGE HENRY mmn REDMAYNE
GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in KENDAL Volume 10B Page 745

RIGG, DINAH mmn REDMAYNE
GRO Reference: 1892 M Quarter in KENDAL Volume 10B Page 698


Annie Rigg
in the 1901 England Census
Name Annie Rigg
Age 6
Estimated Birth Year abt 1895
Relation to Head Daughter
Gender Female
Father George Sharpe
Mother Rebecca J Sharpe
Birth Place Hugill, Westmorland, England
Civil parish Hugill
Ecclesiastical parish Staveley St James
County/Island Westmorland
Country England
Registration district Kendal
Sub-registration district Ambleside
ED, institution, or vessel 7
Neighbors
Piece 4908
Folio 17
Page number 11
Household schedule number 69
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
George Sharpe 40 Head
Rebecca J Sharpe 42 Wife
Dinah Rigg 9 Daughter
Annie Rigg 6 Daughter
Selina L Rigg 3 Daughter
George F Sharpe 1 Son


Rebecca J Riggs
in the 1891 England Census
Name Rebecca J Riggs
Gender Female
Age 32
Relationship Wife
Birth Year 1859
Spouse
James Riggs
Child
William L Riggs
Ann J Riggs
Mary Ed Riggs
Beatrice A Riggs
Birth Place Broughton in Furness, Lancashire, England
Civil parish Hugill
Residence Place Crook, Hugill, Westmorland, England
Registration district Kendal
Sub registration district Ambleside
ED, Institution or Vessel 7
Neighbors
Piece 4329
Folio 6
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
James Riggs 32 Head
Rebecca J Riggs 32 Wife
William L Riggs 8 Son [ middle initial T on image ]
Ann J Riggs 6 Daughter
Mary Ed Riggs 4 Daughter
Beatrice A Riggs 1 Daughter
Edward Mitchell 46 Lodger

RIGG, BEATRICE ALICE mmn REDMAYNE
GRO Reference: 1889 S Quarter in KENDAL Volume 10B Page 708

RIGG, MARY EDITH mmn REDMAYNE
GRO Reference: 1886 D Quarter in KENDAL Volume 10B Page 718

RIGG, ANN JANE mmn REDMAYNE
GRO Reference: 1884 S Quarter in KENDAL Volume 10B Page 727


RIGG, WILLIAM TAYLOR RIGG mmn REDMAYNE
GRO Reference: 1883 M Quarter in KENDAL Volume 10B Page 722

In 1901, Mary and Beatrice are in an Orphan Home in Helsington, Westmorland.
Maybe George Sharpe wasn't willing to take on the older girls ??? (ie - those older than Dinah)


In 1921, Rebecca, with unmarried daughters Maggie and Selina, and married daughter Dinah plus grandson James Marlborough Wailes, is in Dewsbury.


SHARPE, MAGGIE mmn REDMAYNE
GRO Reference: 1902 D Quarter in KENDAL Volume 10B Page 763

Thank you all for your help. I'm just getting familiar with the family and their names and dates. Cx

Here are the Loudons on the gravestone.


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
23, Wilkinson Street, Leigh, Lancashire, England

Household members (8 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John London Head
Married Male 41 1860 Grocer shopkeeper -
Sarah A London Wife
Married Female 41 1860 - Lancashire, England
John London Son
Single Male 15 1886 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Minnie London Daughter
Single Female 9 1892 - Leigh, Lancashire, England
William London Son
Single Male 7 1894 - Leigh, Lancashire, England
Frank London Son
Single Male 5 1896 - Leigh, Lancashire, England
Albert London Son
Single Male 2 1899 - Leigh, Lancashire, England
Jane A Gough Servant
Single Female 21 1880 General servant domestic Haydock, Lancashire, England



1911 Census For England & Wales
23 Wilkinsen Street Leigh, Leigh, Lancashire, England

Household members (6 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Loudon Head
Married Male 51 1860 Grocer and provision dealer master Durham Wst Hartlepool
Sarah Ann Loudon Wife
Married Female 51 1860 - Lancashire Droylsden
Minnie Loudon Daughter
Single Female 19 1892 - Lancashire Leigh
??William Loudon Son
Single Male 17 1894 Assistant surgeon rura council Lancashire Leigh
Frank Loudon Son
Single Male 15 1896 School Lancashire Leigh
Albert Loudon Son
- Male 12 1899 School Lancashire Leigh


1921 Census Of England & Wales
23, Wilkinson Street, Leigh, Lancashire, England

Household members (3 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
John Loudon Head
Male 1859 61 Durham, Durham, England Cross Provision Dealer Employer
Sarah Ann Loudon Wife
Female 1859 61 Droylsden, Lancashire, England Home Duties -
Annie Wain Servant
Female 1890 30 Leigh, Lancashire, England General Domestic Servant



1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
14, Wilkinson Street, Pennington, Leigh, Lancashire, England

Household members (5 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John London Head
Married Male 31 1860 Grocer Hartlepool
Sarah A London Wife
Married Female 31 1860 - Droylsden, Lancashire, England
Anne M London Daughter
- Female 3 1888 - Leigh, Lancashire, England
>>John London Son
- Male 5 1886 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Alice Lowe Servant
Single Female 14 1877 General servant Leigh, Lancashire, England


EDIT Reposting 1939 with John 1886 on it. Also Iris, daughter of William and Annie.

1939 Register
21 Grange Street, Leigh, Leigh M.B., Lancashire, England

Household members (7 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
John Loudon 04 Feb 1886 Male Master Grocer Married 180 1
Bertha Loudon 17 Oct 1884 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 180 2
William Loudon 29 Mar 1911 Male Dental Mechanic Single 180 3
John Loudon 17 Oct 1917 Male Grocer's Assistant Single 180 4
Kathleen Haydock (Louden) 26 Sep 1915 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single 180 5

The record for this person is officially closed.
>>Iris Bell 23 Apr 1923 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single 180 7

Marriages Dec 1882 (>99%)
Loudon John Ashton 8d 785
Wood Sarah Ann Ashton 8d 785


LONDON, ANNIE MORTON mmn WOOD
GRO Reference: 1888 M Quarter in LEIGH Volume 08C Page 279

LOUDON, JOHN mmn WOOD
GRO Reference: 1886 M Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 610

Having followed the census backwards, here's John1860's parents' marriage:

William Loudon
in the Scotland, Select Marriages, 1561-1910
Name William Loudon
Gender Male
Marriage Date 8 Jun 1857
Marriage Place Avondale, Lanark, Scotland
Spouse Margaret T. Vallance
FHL Film Number 280156



William Loudon
in the Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name William Loudon
Gender Male
Birth Date 25 May 1827
Birth Place , Avondale, Lanark, Scotland
Baptism Place , Avondale, Lanark, Scotland
Residence Date 1827
Residence Place Avondale, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Father John Loudon
Mother Anne Morton


Margaret Tennent Vallance
in the Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name Margaret Tennent Vallance
Gender Female
Birth Date 16 Apr 1836
Birth Place , Avondale, Lanark, Scotland
Baptism Place , Avondale, Lanark, Scotland
Residence Date 1836
Residence Place Avondale, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Father Robert Vallance
Mother Margaret Vallance


Robert Vallance
in the Scotland, Select Marriages, 1561-1910
Name Robert Vallance
Gender Male
Marriage Date 10 Aug 1833
Marriage Place Avondale, Lanark, Scotland
Spouse Margaret Vallance

LONDON, ANNIE MORTON WOOD
GRO Reference: 1888 M Quarter in LEIGH Volume 08C Page 279

LONDON, WILLIAM WOOD
GRO Reference: 1893 S Quarter in LEIGH Volume 08C Page 319



Marriage: 2 Oct 1882 Stamford St Wesleyan Methodist, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire
John Loudon - 22 years, Grocer, Bachelor, Cavendish Street, Ashton under Lyne
Sarah Ann Wood - 22 years, Spinster, Hamilton Street, Ashton under Lyne
Groom's Father: William Loudon, deceased, Commercial Traveller
Bride's Father: John Wood, Manager Cotton Mill
Witnesses: William Swire; Herbert Marsden
Married by Licence by Jno. Nowell Minister
Registrar: Sam Fallone
Register: Marriages 1878 - 1911 (Registrar Attended)
Source: LDS Film 2357132

Once again, many thanks. Incredibly helpful and much appreciated.

Cx