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It may be that Fiona is not interested in making contact, as she clearly didn't follow-up on the info posted about the 'Red Byron'
After more than a year, she may well, of course, have found all the info she could possibly want
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Hi Fiona,
I came across this thread when I did a Google search for my Dad, Alexander Byron Dudgeon. He is definitely the Uncle Byron you refer to. I remember meeting Alastair Murray in the 1960s, just the one time, when I was a kid visiting Broughty Ferry. I recognised all the entries in your thread from my own family tree search.
Anyway, please get in touch and I can hopefully fill in gaps in your research and perhaps you can share some info from your side.
I was very close with Calman Cathro (nee Horsburgh), who was my 'favourite auntie'. We used to spend family holidays with Calman, Dave and Gillian.
I met quite a few of the Horsburghs again in July (maybe August ) 18 months ago, at Aunt Netta's funeral in Dundee.
Cheers,
Archie Dudgeon
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Alexander Forrest Murray born 1889 died 04/04/1931 in Dundee. He left £463-12-6pence to Jane Shaw (Murray-his mother)
Alexander married Charlotte T C Horsburgh on 24th April 1912 at Clepington Road, Dundee. They had one son:- Alistair Forrest Murray born 9/10/1912.
His parents were divorced in 1919 and Alistair was brought up by his mothers family - the Horsburgh family at Travebank, Barry, by Carnoustie, Angus.
Charlotte (Granny Dudgeon) married Alexander Dudgeon - a ship builder from Dundee. Her home address was given as Travebank etc.(house demolished about 10 years ago). They had one daughter - Charlotte known as Sheila (Aunty Sheila)(married Seddon). Charlotte and Alexander lived abroad for many years from 1923 to 1929 in Singapore, Penang.
On the 19th April 1941 Alistair Forrest Murray married Barbara Kelman Davie and they had 3. Children(All living)
Barbara’s mother was Mary Neal born in 1880 in France ? Adopted by Alexander Kelman and Barbara Kelman (Alexander Kelman’s mother was Barbara Farquhar in the 1861 census she was age 13 and working in a flax mill)
The adoption of Mary Neal Kelman, (Granny Davie) (was never talked about within the family so the information came as a surprise and I have no idea of the circumstances of her birth or how she arrived in Dundee.)
Barbara Davie had a brother, Fergus Nesbit Davie born in 1919 died 2013. The
Davie family is spread far and wide from Dundee to the USA.
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First name(s) David Bremner
Father's first name(s) William
Last name Horsburgh
Father's last name Horsburgh
Sex Male
Mother's first name(s) Margaret
Birth year 1871
Mother's last name Birrell
Birth place Kingsbarns,Fife,Scotland
Record set Scotland, Modern And Civil Births 1855-2019
Place Kingsbarns
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
County Fife
Subcategory Civil Births
Country Scotland
Collections from Great Britain, Scotland
First name(s) David Bremner
Spouse's last name Craig
Last name Horsburgh
Place Dundee
Sex Male
County Forfarshire (Angus)
Death year 1943
Country Scotland
Death date 08 Jan 1943
Event type Obituary
Publication title Courier & Advertiser
Record set Scotland, Newspaper Death Reports & Obituaries
Publication year 1943
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Publication date 8 Jan 1943
Subcategory Parish Burials
Page 4
Collections from Great Britain, Scotland
Spouse's first name(s) Charlotte
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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
45, Queen Street, Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Peter Dudgeon Head Married Male 37 1854 Joiner Tranent, Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland
Margaret Dudgeon Wife Married Female 31 1860 - Stevenston, Ayrshire, Scotland
Peter Dudgeon Son - Male 10 1881 Scholar Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Annie Dudgeon Daughter - Female 7 1884 Scholar Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
Alexander Dudgeon Son - Male 4 1887 Scholar Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
Elizabeth Dudgeon Daughter - Female 0 1891 - Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
Walter Dudgeon Boarder Married Male 35 1856 Joiner Tranent, Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland
Marriage from SP
DUDGEON
PETER
BYRON
MAGGIE
1879
573 / 295
PAISLEY
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
2, Underwood Road, High Church, Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Petter Dudgeon Head Married Male 29 1852 Joiner Haddingtonshire (East Lothian), Scotland
Margaret Dudgeon Wife Married Female 21 1860 - Ayrshire, Scotland
Petter Dudgeon Son Unmarried Male 0 1881 - Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Mary Barbour Boarder Unmarried Female 16 1865 Thread worker Ayrshire, Scotland
Elizabeth Barbour Boarder Unmarried Female 28 1853 Thread worker Ayrshire, Scotland
Lucy Barbour Boarder Unmarried Female 29 1852 Thread worker Ayrshire, Scotland
Cathran Reid Boarder - Female 20 1861 Thread worker Ayrshire, Scotland
Janet Byron Boarder Unmarried Female 13 1868 Schoolar Ayrshire, Scotland
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I used some credits to look at the 1919 marriage.............8th November
Charlotte Horsburgh was DIVORCED
Her father's name David Horsburgh, mother Charlotte, MN Craig
Dudgeon's father's name Peter, deceased, occ. Joiner.....mother Margaret, MN unclear
Her first marriage, I imagine
HORSBURGH
CHARLOTTE THOMP
MURRAY
ALEXANDER FORRE
1912
307 / 15
MAINS AND STRATHMARTINE
And the son to whom reference was made in a PM - with no date info
MURRAY
ALASTAIR FORRES
HORSBURGH
M
1912
307 / 121
MAINS AND STRATHMARTINE
Siblings?????????
MURRAY
ELIZABETH
HORSBURGH
F
1917
438 / 9
KILRENNY
MURRAY
MARY
HORSBURGH
F
1913
438 / 35
KILRENNY
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HORSBURGH
DAVID
CRAIG
CHARLOTTE
1891
282 / 4 / 339
ST ANDREW (DUNDEE)
All below from FMP
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
12, North Erskine Street, Dundee, St Andrew, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
William Horsburgh Head Married Male 52 1839 Carter Carnbee, Fife, Scotland
Margaret Horsburgh Wife Married Female 51 1840 - Fife, Scotland
William Horsburgh Son Unmarried Male 24 1867 Railway checker Kingsbarns, Fife, Scotland
David Horsburgh Son Unmarried Male 20 1871 Vanman Kingsbarns, Fife, Scotland
Isabel Horsburgh Daughter Unmarried Female 18 1873 Steam loom weaver Kingsbarns, Fife, Scotland
Alex Horsburgh Son - Male 15 1876 Mill worker Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
James Horsburgh Son - Male 11 1880 Scholar Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
Betsy Horsburgh Daughter - Female 8 1883 Scholar Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
12, N Erskine Street, Dundee, St Andrew, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
William Horsburgh Head Married Male 42 1839 Lorry man Carnbee, Fife, Scotland
Margaret Birrell Mother-in-law Widow Female 65 1816 - Crail, Fife, Scotland
Margaret Horsburgh Wife Married Female 41 1840 - Fife, Scotland
John Horsburgh Son Unmarried Male 16 1865 Baker Fife, Scotland
William Horsburgh Son - Male 14 1867 Mill worker Fife, Scotland
Andrew Horsburgh Son - Male 12 1869 Scholar Fife, Scotland
David Horsburgh Son - Male 9 1872 Scholar Fife, Scotland
Bella Horsburgh Daughter - Female 7 1874 Scholar Fife, Scotland
Alexander Horsburgh Son - Male 4 1877 - Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
James Horsburgh Son - Male 1 1880 - Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Cambo Farm Cottages, Kingsbarns, Fife, Scotland
William Horsburgh Head Married Male 32 1839 Farm servant Fife, Scotland
Margaret Horsburgh Wife Married Female 31 1840 - Fife, Scotland
Margaret Horsburgh Daughter - Female 11 1860 Scholar Crail, Fife, Scotland
Jessie Horsburgh Daughter - Female 9 1862 Scholar Crail, Fife, Scotland
John Horsburgh Son - Male 6 1865 Scholar Kingsbarns, Fife, Scotland
William Horsburgh Son - Male 4 1867 - Kingsbarns, Fife, Scotland
Andrew Horsburgh Son - Male 2 1869 - Kingsbarns, Fife, Scotland
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Balconnie (Cothouse), Crail, Crail (Landward), Fife, Scotland
William Horsburgh Head Married Male 22 1839 Ploughman Carnbee, Fife, Scotland
Margaret Horsburgh Wife Married Female 21 1840 - Fife, Scotland
Margaret Horsburgh Daughter - Female 1 1860 - Crail, Fife, Scotland
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Arncroach, Carnbee, St Andrews, Fife, Scotland
James Horsburgh Head Married Male 44 1807 Ag laborer & beadle Carnbee, Fife, Scotland
Janet Horsburgh Wife Married Female 39 1812 - Carnbee, Fife, Scotland
Grace Horsburgh Daughter Unmarried Female 18 1833 At home Carnbee, Fife, Scotland
James Horsburgh Son Unmarried Male 16 1835 Ag laborer Carnbee, Fife, Scotland
John Horsburgh Son Unmarried Male 14 1837 Ag laborer Carnbee, Fife, Scotland
William Horsburgh Son Unmarried Male 12 1839 Scholar Carnbee, Fife, Scotland
Agnes Horsburgh Daughter Unmarried Female 10 1841 Scholar Carnbee, Fife, Scotland
David Horsburgh Son - Male 7 1844 Scholar Carnbee, Fife, Scotland
Alexander Horsburgh Son - Male 5 1846 Scholar Carnbee, Fife, Scotland
Janet Horsburgh Daughter - Female 0 1851 - Carnbee, Fife, Scotland
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Arncroach, Carnbee, Fife, Scotland
James Horseburgh Male 35 1806 -
Janet Horseburgh Female 25 1816 Fife, Scotland
Grace Horseburgh Female 8 1833 Fife, Scotland
James Horseburgh Male 7 1834 Fife, Scotland
John Horseburgh Male 4 1837 Fife, Scotland
William Horseburgh Male 2 1839 Fife, Scotland
Agness Horseburgh Female 0 1841 Fife, Scotland
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